[Call to Order]
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          ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME TO THE AGENDA OF THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY OF COACHELLA. THE COUNCIL SITTING AS THE COACHELLA SANITARY DISTRICT, COACHELLA FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, COACHELLA FINANCING AUTHORITY, COACHELLA EDUCATION AND GOVERNMENT ACCESS CABLE CHANNEL CORPORATION. COACHELLA WATER AUTHORITY, SUCCESSOR AGENCY TO COACHELLA REDEVELOPMENT AND COACHELLA PARKS AND RECREATION FOUNDATION. 
          IT IS AUGUST 6TH, 2025. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK THE CLERK TO. PLEASE NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THE ATTENDANCE. WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT COUNCIL MEMBER YADIRA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE AND SHE IS EXCUSED. WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE FORWARD ON 
          [Approval of Agenda]
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. MR. CITY MANAGER, ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? YES, MAYOR. JUST ONE ITEM WE NEED TO BRING BACK NUMBER NINE. THERE WERE A FEW INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE LEFT OFF THE LIST. ITEM NUMBER NINE WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE SEPTEMBER 10TH MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE MODIFICATIONS ON CONSENT? CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE'S A MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. MOTION 
          [Proclamations/Presentations/Direction]
CARRIES. WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION OF RECOGNIZING EMPLOYMENT MONTH. IS THERE ANYONE HERE FOR EMPLOYMENT MONTH? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. OH. I'M SORRY. WE'RE PROMOTING ONLINE. ONE SECOND. HELLO. CITY COUNCIL, HOW ARE YOU? WE'RE WELL. WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING SEPTEMBER EMPLOYMENT MONTH FOR THE CITY OF COACHELLA IN SUPPORT OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY'S DESERT JOB EXPO, WHICH WILL BE ON THE 17TH OF SEPTEMBER AT FANTASY SPRINGS CASINO IN THE EVENT CENTER IN THE BACK FROM 9 TO 1, THERE WILL BE. PRE EXPO WORKSHOPS AT THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER ON MONROE STREET IN INDIO. WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN THIS YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA TO READ IT. YEAH. CITY OF COACHELLA, CALIFORNIA PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT CONTRIBUTES TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S DIGNITY, PRIDE AND SATISFACTION. AND WHEREAS CHILDREN BENEFIT FROM HAVING EMPLOYED PARENTS AS BOTH PROVIDERS AND ROLE MODELS, AND THE STABILITY AND WELL-BEING OF FAMILIES IS ENHANCED BY ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE AND SELF-SUFFICIENCY. AND WHEREAS, SELF-SUPPORTING AND ECONOMICALLY INDEPENDENT FAMILIES SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE SUCCESS OF BUSINESSES, BOTH LARGE AND SMALL, REST ON THE ABILITY OF A COMPETENT AND DEPENDABLE WORKFORCE. AND WHEREAS THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND COUNTRY DEPENDS UPON STABLE FAMILY UNITS AND A STRONG WORKFORCE. NOW THEREFORE, I, STEPHEN HERNANDEZ, A MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF COACHELLA, BY THE POWER VESTED IN US, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AS EMPLOYMENT MONTH AND URGE ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF COACHELLA TO JOIN US IN ENCOURAGING STABILIZATION AND A STRONG WORKFORCE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD, AND WE'LL SEE YOU OUT AT THE EXPO. I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO 
          [Consent Calendar]
MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL? I HAVE A QUESTION ON WHAT ITEM IS THAT? THE CONTRACT WITH THE SECURITY. THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES SECURITY, CITY GUARD. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND FACILITATE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE. YOUR QUESTION. IT'S FOR THE IS IT FOR THE SECURITY OR IS IT THE. IT'S ACTUALLY ALL OF THEM. IT'S THE LIBRARY THE SENIOR CENTER, THE LMDS AND THE PARKS OKAY. YES OKAY. AND THEN IT JUST GETS SPLIT UP INTO FUNDING FROM THE DIFFERENT ONES. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. NO ONE SAID I. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 
          [New Business Calendar (Legislative and Administrative)]
TEN. THIS IS APPROVAL OF A SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FOR CODE EXPLORATION COMMITTEE. I HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE AGENDA, AND I'VE SEEN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN RAISING AS WELL. AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD. AND THIS IS A GREAT EVENT FOR THE CITY. YOU GOT OVER 7000 PEOPLE THAT ATTEND, AND IT'S PRETTY GOOD. I'M A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBER QUESTION IS ARE THEY HERE? I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO THE. THE SCOPE OF IT RIGHT HERE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO LIKE THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          AND IS IT GROWING IN ANY SIZE OR IS IT. IT'S GROWN CONSIDERABLY EVERY YEAR. AND I'M GOING TO DO 
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MY BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO FIRST MY NAME IS ARLENE AMICK. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE CODEX CREATION COMMITTEE. TIZOC IS NOT HERE YET. THEY HIT A LITTLE TRAFFIC. HE'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SO COULD GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT HAS GROWN CONSIDERABLY SINCE ITS INAUGURATION 12 YEARS AGO. SO BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE YOU'VE SHIFTED. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE THAT NONPROFIT AND CORRECT. IT HAS A LOT OF GREAT STUFF IT HAS BEEN DOING. I KNOW IT'S YOU SO SENT ME THAT INVITATION FOR NEXT WEEK. AND SO, YOU KNOW, DOING DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROGRAMING NOW WITH IT. SO. CORRECT. YES. AND THE CODEX BOARD WAS REALLY CREATED TO CONTINUE WHAT BRIANNA AND TIZOC STARTED WITH THIS COMMUNITY INITIATIVE TO GIVE IT REALLY MORE HEFT, HEFT AND TO REALLY TRY AND EXPAND IT EVEN FURTHER, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S SUCH A BELOVED CITY AND COMMUNITY INITIATIVE. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO LIKE, I KNOW THAT IT'S GROWN, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING, LIKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE IN THE PROPERTY DOWNTOWN, AND I KNOW IT'S GROWN AND IT CHANGES BECAUSE THEN YOU IMPLEMENT LIKE DIFFERENT PIECES TOGETHER AND ALL THAT. I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHAT I'VE OBSERVED, IT KEEPS GROWING FURTHER AND FURTHER. BUT AGAIN, TIZOC COULD GIVE YOU THAT EXACT MILEAGE. HE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. ITEM I WE ARE ITEM NUMBER TEN. SORRY. OH, OKAY. THE LAST TIME WE ASKED FOR THE FINANCIALS, DO WE HAVE THEM? THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA IN THE PACKET. OKAY. GOOD. SORRY. FORGIVE ME. I'M A BIT LATE. SO IF THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WITH ME THAT HAVE PROBABLY YOUR ANSWER. SO GO AHEAD, TAKE YOUR TIME. OH. ARE THEY ARE THEY GOING TO BE HERE? DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE THE ITEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE HERE TO SPEAK? WE CAN MOVE IT. I CAN DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. HI. YES. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE MOVE IT SO THAT THEY CAN KNOW WE CAN KEEP GOING? I'LL PULL UP WHAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED. WHERE DO WE WHERE DO WE LEAVE OFF ON THE CONVERSATION? I'M SURE THEY DID THE PRESENTATION. WHAT? WHAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YEAH. SO? SO THE LAST TIME I ASKED FOR SOME OF THE INVOICES, THEIR INVOICES ARE IN THERE. SELENA, I KNOW HE SENT A FULL PROJECTED COST. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC INVOICES. CAN YOU TELL ME FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT OR FOR SPECIFIC VENDORS? OR HERE'S HERE'S MY CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS THAT I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF COST, RIGHT? SO ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, 14,000 STAGING, 20,00. OUTSIDE SERVICE, 10,000. BUT I WHERE IS THE 45,000 GOING? SO I HAVE ALL THESE NUMBERS, AND THERE'S NO WAY OF US KNOWING THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY TRUE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVOICES, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT THESE ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THIS STUFF. AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH NOT TO PARTICIPATE OR BE A SPONSOR, BUT IT'S BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE MY CONCERN WITH. AND SO I DID SPEAK OF THIS IN THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS LIKE PROJECTED COST. CAN WE SHARE IT? I'M SURE IT'S ONLINE. OKAY. OH, DEFINITELY. PUT IT THERE. I'M FINDING. OH, SORRY. MAYBE WE COULD. I THINK IT'S ON THE AGENDA ITEM. YEAH. IT WAS, IT WAS ON THERE. THE STAFF REPORT. I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE IT PRINTED OUT AND I APOLOGIZE. AND ACTUALLY, I GUESS MY SLIDE DECK DIDN'T UPDATE, BUT I DID HAVE THE COST BREAKDOWN ON THE POWERPOINT, SO I APOLOGIZE. WE DO HAVE IT ON IN THE STAFF REPORT. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK. WHAT'S GOING ON TRACY, CAN YOU PULL UP THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST ASKING ABOUT THE EXPENSES AND THE EXPENSES FOR. 
          GOOD EVENING. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE. GOT A LITTLE TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM RIVERSIDE, SO. 
          YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS AN EVENT THAT'S AGAIN, BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF COACHELLA, HAS ONLY BEEN ABLE TO GROW IN SIZE AND IN PRESTIGE BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. LIKE I SAID, I JUST CAME IN FROM RIVERSIDE AT THE INLAND EMPIRE 
          [00:10:05]
COMMUNITY FOUNDATION'S SUMMIT. I LITERALLY JUST MET A WOMAN FROM OXNARD AND SHE SAID, OH, WE HEAR THAT YOU GUYS DO BIG THINGS FOR THE DAY OF THE DEAD IN COACHELLA. SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT. AGAIN, THIS IS GROWN. THERE'S A LOT OF ADDED VALUE BESIDES WHAT'S ON THIS LIST IN TERMS OF MEDIA COVERAGE AND JUST PEOPLE COMING AND TALKING ABOUT IT AND WANTING TO BE HERE. THIS DOESN'T SHOW STUDENTS PRACTICING FOR MONTHS TO PERFORM IN THE PROCESSION. 
          THIS IS NOT SHOW PEOPLE TRAINING, GETTING HEALTHY SO THAT THEY CAN COME RUN THIS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ADDED BENEFITS THAT ARE NOT SHOWN ON HERE THAT OBVIOUSLY MEAN A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE REGION AS A WHOLE. CERTAINLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO BE A SPONSOR, BUT ALSO A PARTNER. AND TO US THAT MEANS HELP US DO WELL. WE CAN CERTAINLY SHOW INVOICES FOR CERTAIN THINGS. WE GAVE YOU A BUDGET BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS SPENT LAST YEAR. THE REALITY FOR EVENTS OF THIS SIZE, YOU PUT US AT A DISADVANTAGE TO PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE, BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU ARE A PROMOTER, YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH IT. AND WHEN WE SHOW ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, IT PUTS US AT A DISADVANTAGE WITH OTHER VENDORS, OTHER CITIES THAT SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS FOR. SO IT PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. THIS TALK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OF THE OF THE RUN AND THE PARTICIPATION AND THE HEALTH BENEFITS TO IT, AND THEN ALSO HAVING A DOWNTOWN EVENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND WANTING TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, THE ART BEHIND IT AND THE CULTURE, I THINK SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE CITY OF COACHELLA AND A LOT OF OUR DEMOGRAPHIC HERE. SO I DO THINK THAT'S IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL EVENT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, RAICES DOES AN AMAZING JOB WITH THE ART. I MEAN, REALLY, AND I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK TOO MANY FOLKS KNOW THAT ALL THAT ART, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A DIOCESE. BUT THERE IT'S REALLY IF YOU HAVEN'T ATTENDED IT IS REALLY A BEAUTIFUL EVENT FOR ME. IT'S JUST IT'S THAT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST I KNOW YOU'RE TELLING ME WHAT THE PROJECTED COSTS ARE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE COST ARE THAT. AND JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WHERE IT'S A DISADVANTAGE. THAT'S HOW I FEEL UP HERE, I REALLY DO. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A DISADVANTAGE TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND WHEN THEY ASK, YOU KNOW, WHERE MONEYS ARE GOING TO IN REALITY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A RESPONSE. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE, IS THAT I DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE. WHEN PEOPLE QUESTION ME FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M GOING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS LIKE THE DETAILS AND, AND WHETHER IT'S INVOICES OR WHETHER IT'S JUST SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT PROVIDING SOME STUFF, AT LEAST INVOICES, ANYTHING THAT LETS US KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I SEE ALL THE BREAKDOWNS, YOU KNOW, THE ADMIN PART, THE VIDEO PRODUCTION, ALL OF IT. AND IN NO WAY AM I QUESTIONING THAT THESE ARE NOT TRUE. BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING SAYING THAT IT'S TRUE. NUMBER ONE, THIS IS A PROJECTED COST. WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LEAP OF FAITH BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T STARTED THIS BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE NOT APPROVED IT, RIGHT. COSTS HAVE GONE UP FOR EVERYTHING AROUND THE COUNTRY, SO THIS MIGHT BE EVEN MORE. BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR MORE. WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME AWARD LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF AGAIN, BUDGET WISE, WE GAVE YOU A FULL BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR. AND WHERE'S THE BREAKDOWN? WE SUBMITTED IT AS WELL. 2024 IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. WE SUBMITTED IT TO THE CITY. WE ONLY PUT THE 2025 ON THE STAFF REPORT. I APOLOGIZE. SO YOU HAVE IT SELENA. YES, WE'VE SUBMITTED IT. YEAH. SO ARE THE PROJECTED COSTS LIKE THIS? IS IT BREAKDOWN LIKE THIS OR HOW IS IT? SO I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION THIS BOOK IS THAT WELL HE SUBMITTED IT TO SELENA. SO WHY DON'T YOU BRING IT FORWARD SELENA. BUT IT'S. IS THIS WHAT IT IS? IT'S EQUIVALENT TO THIS MAYOR. SO IF IT'S JUST AN EQUIVALENT BREAKDOWN TO THIS. SO OUT OF THE $159,000 BUDGET, YOU ASKED FOR 45,000 IN-KIND. WELL, FOR THE CITY AND THEN 21,000 FOR 45,000 $45,000. CHECK. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ASKING FOR. SO I MEAN, IF THIS IS TO ME, IF. FOR US, ANYONE THAT COMES HERE, IF THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT COSTS FOR 
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EVENTS, IT'S A DEAL, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE CITY FOR $85,000, YOU GET INTO $200,000 EVENT, RIGHT? SO IN TERMS OF PARTNERSHIPS, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PARTNER THAT BRINGS THAT MUCH TO YOUR CITY FOR AN EVENT. SO YOU BRING 95,000 TO THE TABLE. WE BRING OVER $100,000 TO THE TABLE. ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE IT THAT WAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. IN NO WAY AM I SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T A GOOD PARTNERSHIP. IN NO WAY AM I SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT BRINGING ANY BENEFITS HERE. ABSOLUTELY NOT. IT'S A COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THAT. I JUST I JUST WANT SOME INVOICES, SOMETHING SO I CAN SEE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, THAT THIS IS A TRUE COST OF WHAT IT COSTS. LAST YEAR. IT JUST WITH A PARTNERSHIP, YOU HANDCUFF US TO REQUEST THOSE THINGS. THE REALITY IS YOU HAVE A CAMPAIGN THAT YOU DO. RIGHT. 
          IF A DONOR GIVES YOU $10,000 AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS ONLY FOR MALE, RIGHT? HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR? MALE KNOWING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING FOR IT. RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO STRETCH OUR DOLLARS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. MAYBE WE GET A BETTER DEAL ON SECURITY THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE COSTS MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OTHERWISE YOU'RE HANDCUFFING US AND MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO STRETCH THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING. SO I THINK YOU'RE MAKING IT A LOT ABOUT US. AND, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING OR NOT PROVIDING. AND I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE POINT OF IT. IT REALLY IT REALLY DO. I SUPPORT THIS EVENT 100%, 100%. AND I PARTICIPATED ACTUALLY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. YOU'VE ACTUALLY PICTURES OF MY FAMILY THAT YOU USE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE RUN. SO WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IT'S JUST THE PROJECTIONS ARE JUST THAT. 
          IT'S JUST PROJECTIONS. BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO OFF. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO SPONSOR THE EVENT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M SAYING THAT. NO, NO, NOT NOT IN ANY WAY, IS THERE. CAN YOU PROVIDE INVOICES? I KNOW YOU'RE JUST STARTING. YOU SAID THAT THAT THAT YOU'RE WAITING ON THE CITY SPONSORSHIP TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN. COULD YOU PROVIDE INVOICES OR IS THE CITY WILLING TO GIVE MORE MONEY? SO LET ME ASK THIS. THIS AND FORGIVE ME, IS THAT YOU'RE ASKING THAT IF YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME INVOICES, THEN WE PROVIDE MORE MONEY. SO THERE'S A LEAP OF FAITH FROM US BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A PROJECTION. THESE COSTS COULD CHANGE. THEY COULD BE MORE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE ASKING TO TAKE THE LEAD, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE JUST SERVICING THE CITY, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT PARTNERS. YOU'RE IN CHARGE. WE'RE JUST FACILITATING THE EVENT FOR YOU. THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY HIRING US TO DO AN EVENT FOR YOU, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS. YEAH. SO CAN YOU BACK TO THE QUESTION, CAN YOU PROVIDE RECEIPTS AFTERWARDS FOR THE EVENT? SURE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO IN TERMS OF A RELATIONSHIP. IT'S NOT A PARTNERSHIP LIKE WE'VE HAD BEFORE. YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THE CITY IS THE LEAD. WE NEED TO ANSWER TO YOU, SHOW YOU OUR RECEIPTS. I CAN TALK TO ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE. THEY CAN WALK TO THE EVENT AND SEE THE TREMENDOUS WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AND SEE WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. LIKE, I DON'T. I THINK THE FESTIVAL, I THINK THEY GAVE THEM $250,000. RIGHT. WE'RE ASKING FOR 65. 
          YEAH. ALL I'M SAYING IS FOR TRANSPARENCY AND IT'S NOT MY MONEY THIS WEEK. IT'S NOT MY MONEY. LISTEN, IF PUBLIC FUNDS, I WOULD PREFER THAT THE CITY GAVE US NO MONEY, BUT THIS EVENT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF WE HAD A CORPORATE SPONSOR, DO YOU HAVE A CORPORATE SPONSOR THAT CAN MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE I'D RATHER TAKE ZERO PUBLIC MONEY. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. BUT IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE, THIS IS HOW THE CITIES WORK. LIKE WE ARE A PARTNER. YOU GIVE MONEY, WE DO THIS. IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN WE CAN'T HAVE THE EVENT LIKE IT'S THERE'S A THERE'S EVENTS THAT GO ON THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COACHELLA VALLEY, RIGHT WHERE THE CITIES ARE SPONSORS, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SPONSORING. SO WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER OF SUPPORTING THE PALM SPRINGS FILM FESTIVAL NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND WE JUST GAVE A SPONSORSHIP AND WE DIDN'T SAY, HEY, BRING US THE RECEIPTS ON HOW MUCH THE PALM SPRINGS FILM FESTIVAL IS COSTING AND WE WANT TO SEE IT DREW UP. BUT EVERYBODY WAS THERE AT THE GALA, RIGHT? HAD A GREAT TIME. AND SO IT'S A SPONSORSHIP. AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT A SPONSOR OR DO WE WANT TO MICROMANAGE AND THEN HIRE THEM IF WE'RE ASKING TO HIRE THEM, 
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THEN THE CITY SHOULD. IF WE WANT TO PRODUCE THE EVENT, THEN WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO TAKE ON THAT FULL COST OF $160,000. AND YOU WOULD LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO BE HIRED, I'M SURE. WELL, AT THAT POINT, IT'S NOT US AS A NONPROFIT. NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO HIRE AN EVENT PRODUCTION COMPANY, RIGHT? SO NOT GOING TO NEGOTIATIONS WITH ANOTHER COMPANY ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO THIS. YEAH. GUARANTEE YOU IT'S GOING TO COST THREE TIMES MORE. AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT FIXATED ON ON COSTS BECAUSE I KNOW THE VALUE OF THE EVENT HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT FROM HIGHLIGHTING THE CITY OF COACHELLA, THE CULTURE, THE PEOPLE, THE WHAT'S THAT WORD THAT'S CALLED THAT, THAT SPREADS THAT, THAT WORD WHERE IT'S LIKE THE ECONOMIC VALUE. IT'S BEEN BIG. IT'S BEEN BIG. IT'S BROUGHT A LOT OF EYES TO COACHELLA THAT I THINK IS WORTH THE WAIT. YOU KNOW, I GET THE ARGUMENT. HEY, TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE. WELL, JUST SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT IT AND FINE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE EVENT'S CANCELED, I GUESS. BUT FOR ME, THE ADDED VALUE. AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, FACTS OR DOLLARS, DOLLARS DOLLARS. 
          THERE'S THIS HUGE BENEFIT THAT'S. I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT METAPHYSICAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SUBSTANTIAL IN TERMS OF WHAT IT DOES FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FROM SOCIAL CAPITAL TO, YOU KNOW, CIVIC LIFE TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SERVICE AND A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NONPROFIT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH OTHER THINGS THAT THIS EVENT DONE. AND FRANKLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE CANCELLATION OF LAS FIESTAS PATRIAS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALL JUST DOLLARS, DOLLARS, DOLLARS, THEN I GET ALL THAT. BUT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CANCELING A VAST MAJORITY OF EVENTS BECAUSE. THESE THESE EVENTS DON'T PAY FOR THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE AND BY THE WAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR NONPROFIT OR YOUR BUSINESS MAKING MONEY. I'M NOT THAT PERSON THAT SAYS, OH, HOW DARE YOU MAKE A DOLLAR? THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND INVESTMENT AND I'M OKAY. LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S CALLED CAPITALISM AND THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN. AND SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. SO WHEN I MISSED THE LAST MEETING, WHEN IT HAPPENED AND THE DISCUSSION WAS LET'S WAIT TILL THE BUDGET GETS, YOU KNOW, DONE. AND I WAS PREPARED TO SAY, HEY, IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET, WE'RE CANCELING. IT HAPPENS. RIGHT? LIKE WE'RE NOT ASKING MORE MONEY TO COME FROM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVICES OR WHATEVER. LIKE THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. BUT IF THE BUDGET ALLOWS FOR THIS, THEN I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT US IN A MORE DIFFICULT, LIKE LITERALLY, I'M A VOLUNTEER FOR THIS. THERE'S SO MANY VOLUNTEERS FOR THIS. I SPEND HUNDREDS OF HOURS ON THIS. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO PUT MYSELF IN EVEN MORE DIFFICULT POSITION JUST BECAUSE, LIKE THERE'S A DISTRUST, I AM PREPARED. WE CAN GIVE INVOICES, ALL THAT STUFF. I'M SAYING, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR THAT? SEEING WHAT HAPPENS, SEEING WHAT'S BEING DELIVERED. THIS IS 11 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN DELIVERING FOR THE CITY OF COACHELLA, RIGHT? MOST PLACES, MOST PROMOTERS WOULD NOT TOUCH THIS UNLESS THERE'S A CONTRACT A YEAR IN ADVANCE. MULTIYEAR CONTRACT. LITERALLY. WE COME EVERY SINGLE YEAR. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE NOT STARTED. WE HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED REGISTRATION YET. WHY? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL BY A LOT, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF FUNDRAISING, WE'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL A LOT BECAUSE OF THE NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. WE'RE STILL WILLING TO DO IT. 
          I'M ASKING YOU MIGHT NOT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT ALREADY IS. WELL COUNCIL ANY OTHER ANY OTHER I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, IT'S AUGUST AND AT THE LAST MEETING I MENTIONED THIS TO OUR COUNCIL AND OUR CITY MANAGER THAT WHATEVER WE NEEDED FROM HIM THAT WE WOULD LET HIM KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THAT CONVERSATION WAS LIKE, BUT. IN MY OPINION, AND WHAT I'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS IS THIS EVENT IS HUGE. IT'S A STAPLE IN THE CITY OF COACHELLA. AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE IT, I DON'T, I DON'T COMPREHEND, NOR DO I WANT TO TRY, BUT IT'S A GREAT EVENT THAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE COMING TO THIS EVENT ALL OVER THE VALLEY. COMING TO THIS EVENT. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE START COMING TO THE COFFEE SHOP, THEY TAKE NOTICE AND THEN THEY START COMING ON THE WEEKENDS. OUR TAQUERIAS THAT ARE CLOSE BY, THEY START COMING ON THE WEEKENDS. IT'S AN INVESTMENT. I THINK EVENTS LIKE THESE, IT'S CALLED AN INVESTMENT. YOU HAVE TO INVEST SOMETIMES IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING FLOURISH. IF WE WANT TO SEE OUR DOWNTOWN PROGRESS, AND IF WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING 
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GOOD HAPPENING IN THE CITY, AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR CULTURE IS BEING SHARED WITH PEOPLE AND WE'RE OPENLY SHARING THAT AND BUILDING A COMMUNITY, IT REQUIRES AN INVESTMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. AND IT'S A COMMUNITY EVENT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. WE HAVE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS COMING BY. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T USUALLY RUN WANTING TO PARTICIPATE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A FRIEND, THEIR NEIGHBOR, THEIR COWORKER IS GOING TO DO IT. AND SO I PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH MAKING THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE NOT INVESTING THIS IN ANY OTHER AREA OTHER THAN HERE IN THE CITY OF COACHELLA. WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE INVESTING, YOU KNOW, DOLLARS IN OTHER AREAS. AND SO BUT IF THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE, THEN I DO ASK THAT WE DO THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE SPONSORSHIP REQUEST, THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE ASK FOR RECEIPTS, WE ASK FOR INVOICES AND SEE HOW HOW EVERYONE ELSE, HOW OTHER PROMOTERS ARE, HOW THEY LIKE IT. BUT IN MY YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS EVENT. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST EVENTS WE HAVE IN THE WHOLE CITY AND IN THE COACHELLA VALLEY AND IN THE VALLEY. I IF YOU WERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS EVENT. IT'S TOO LATE. WE CAN'T EVEN DO IT. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR TELLING YOU TO DO IT IN THEIR CITY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. SO YEAH, PERSONALLY, I SUPPORT IT. SORRY, YOU ALREADY HAD QUITE SOME TIME. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE. BUT I FULLY SUPPORT THIS EVENT. I THINK IT'S LIKE EVERY YEAR IT BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IT BUILDS COMMUNITY. AND SO THESE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO RUN THROUGH THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MY COLLEAGUES UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS EVENT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF BUILDING COMMUNITY. DOCTOR FRANK, WHERE ARE YOU AT? WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD CONVERSATION. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. WOULD PEOPLE BE INCLINED IF HE DID LIKE A RECAP PRESENTATION AFTERWARDS SO HE COULD SEE, LIKE THE GREAT OUTCOMES THAT YOU DID AND JUST THE PRESENTATION? I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE A POST EVENT. THAT'D BE PRETTY COOL TO DO. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ARE. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR JUST LIKE A, LIKE A COOL LIKE WHAT? THE STATISTICS WERE LIKE A RECAP. YEAH, ETC. THAT'S AWESOME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT LIKE NOT LIKE YOUR LIKE THE BIGGER PICTURE. LIKE YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY ATTENDEES BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S LIKE COOL DATA SET THAT DOES THAT LIKE STUFF, BUT THAT'D BE JUST PRETTY COOL TO SEE AFTER THE EFFECT. AND NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT SO BUT BACK TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES COMMENTS I HAVE. I HAVE ASKED FOR A POLICY TO COME BACK FOR SPONSORSHIPS AND GRANTS. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL THAT IT'S YOUR EVENT. I HAVE ASKED FOR IT. IT JUST HASN'T COME BACK YET. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE IS THERE ARE MANY CITIES THAT HAVE POLICIES FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND GRANTS. AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUBLIC FUNDS AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND I'LL REITERATE, WHAT I'VE REITERATED ALREADY MANY TIMES IS I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE EVENT. AND I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. 
          IN FACT, I THINK I SERVED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION EVENT COMMISSION. WHEN WE REROUTED, WE REROUTED, RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE WAS AND THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS THAT WERE RELUCTANT, IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO THE NEW CHANGE AND WE FULLY SUPPORTED IT. I FULLY SUPPORTED IT. SO IN NO WAY AM I NOT SUPPORTIVE. I ALWAYS HAVE, I'M JUST COMING DOWN TO THE FINANCIALS AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS. BUT I HAVE I HAVE ASKED FOR A POLICY, BUT WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH THE STATISTICS YOU REQUESTED. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. AND REMIND YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE MINDFUL AND THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT IF THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS TO BE LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M SAYING, LOOK WHAT WE ARE SHOWING, RIGHT? LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING. LOOK AT THE LAST 11 YEARS. SO I'M ASKING ALSO THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S NOT LOOKED AT LIKE WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME RANDOM PERSON COMING IN AND ASKING FOR MONEY. I'M SAYING LOOK AT OUR BODY OF WORK. LOOK HOW MUCH WE'VE DELIVERED. AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE THE ABILITY TO FEEL LIKE THE CITY IS OUR PARTNER. AND SAYING, HEY, HOW DO WE HELP YOU? AS OPPOSED TO FEELING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HIDING, OH, THE PUBLIC IS SAYING THIS AND THAT. IT'S LIKE WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. LIKE WE'RE LITERALLY GIVE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO THIS EVENT. WE THROW EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT. AND TO COUNCILWOMAN BRITTON'S POINT, THIS IS A TOURIST ATTRACTION FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE REGISTERED PEOPLE FROM THE EAST COAST, FROM CANADA, FROM MEXICO. LIKE, LITERALLY PEOPLE COME HERE FROM OUT OF TOWN. IF YOU HAD A HOTEL, PEOPLE WOULD BE STAYING AT THAT HOTEL. YOU DO NOT HAVE A HOTEL, RIGHT? HOPEFULLY WE'RE AROUND WHEN THAT THAT DAY COMES. BUT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY LIKE BUILDING LIKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS, ARTS AND CULTURE, LIKE YOUR CAR CLUBS, YOUR STUDENTS, EVERYONE IS INVOLVED IN THIS EVENT. EVERYONE 
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GIVES TO THIS EVENT. SO I'M GOING TO CUT YOU OFF. AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT A SPONSORSHIP WHERE THE CITY VALUES IT, ETC, OR, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, THE COUNCILWOMAN SAYING, I JUST WANT YOUR FINANCIALS AND SHE HAS A POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOUR OF US HERE. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION, OR MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD CHANGE TO IT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKED FOR THE FINANCIALS IS MAYBE WE CAN JUST PAY FOR THEM DIRECTLY. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW FOR THE STATE YOU HAVE 20 K, I'M SURE WE CAN JUST PAY THAT COMPANY THE 20 K DIRECTLY AND MAKING UP THAT 45,000 THAT WAY. WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO BE THE LEAD ON THIS EVENT. AND EITHER WE ARE A NONPROFIT PARTNER OR THIS IS ANOTHER CITY EVENT WHERE YOU WANT TO HIRE AN EVENT PRODUCTION COMPANY AND YOU CAN GO THAT ROUTE IF YOU WANT TO. THE REASON WE ARE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE A NONPROFIT. WE DECIDED TO GO THIS ROUTE BECAUSE THIS IS A FREE EVENT TO THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? FREE. WE'RE NOT A PROMOTER, RIGHT? WE DON'T ASK A DOLLAR FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT HERE AND HAVE A GREAT TIME. WELL, THE RUNNERS DO. THERE IS A FEE TO FOR THE RUNNERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIVE K. YES, THE LARGE MAJORITY, 6000 PEOPLE COME OUT AND THEY DON'T PAY US A DOLLAR, BUT THE RUNNERS GET A SHIRT AND THEN THEIR COMPANY, THE COMPANY ALSO LIKE EVERY RUN, WE HAVE TO PAY THE TIMING COMPANY WE HAVE LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THE IN-KIND IS TO SHUT DOWN THE STREETS FOR THE RUNNERS. SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THE RUNNING COMPONENT OF IT. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO MANAGE IN THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. IT'S NOT ABOUT OH LIKE WE'RE SCARED. COOL. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PARTNERSHIP. YOU'RE MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR A NONPROFIT THAT ALREADY IS THROWING EVERYTHING. OR I MEAN, MAYBE THE MAYBE THE QUESTION IS, BILL, DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, YOU KNOW, RENT THE EQUIPMENT, GET INTO LEASES WITH THESE RENTAL COMPANIES? IF THE CITY WANTS TO PICK UP SECURITY, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GET INTO LEASES WITH COMPANIES. IF THE CITY WANTS TO BRING IN LIGHTS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GET INTO AGREEMENTS. I MEAN, CAN YOUR STAFF HANDLE ALL OF THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T KNOW. YEAH. 
          AT THIS POINT, WITH STAFF BEING CONDENSED BECAUSE WE'RE FREEZING POSITIONS, I DON'T WANT TO SEE STAFF TAKING ON MORE. WE'RE ALREADY STRETCHED AS IT IS NOW. SO, SO THEN US JUST PAYING INVOICES WOULD BE TOO MUCH. WELL, NO, WE'D HAVE TO GO CONTRACT FOR SERVICES, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH 4TH OF JULY AND FOR EL GRITO AND I SEE. YEAH I SEE YEAH. BECAUSE IF, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PAYING IT THEN WE NEED A CONTRACT. THEY NEED A CONTRACT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR PURCHASING PROCEDURES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. SO IT'S ACTUALLY AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PARTNER THAT'S WILLING TO TAKE ON THE TIME, THE EFFORT, THE ENERGY. AGAIN, WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST. THIS IS A PROJECTION LIKE WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT. IT COULD BE MORE. THANK YOU. WE'VE HAD A I THINK AMPLE CONVERSATION. THERE'S A MOTION. THERE'S A SECOND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THE ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. FIGUEROA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO. YES. WITH THE WITH THE POLICY OF THE SPONSORED GRANTS POLICY TO COME THROUGH. MAYOR HERNANDEZ I MOTION CARRIES WITH NO AMENDMENTS. ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE TWO WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I JUST GOING TO READ THE NAMES AND THE TITLE. ONE OF THEM IS FROM. GABRIEL PEREZ, AND THIS IS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE BUDGET. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, WE CAN BRING THOSE UP DURING ITEM NUMBER 14. NEXT ONE. OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS PUBLIC COMMENT ALSO ON THE SYNERGY ZINE AND LIVE ARTS IS COMING UP. SO WE'LL BRING WE'LL YOU'LL MAKE NOTE THERE. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS APPROVAL OF SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FOR ISIS CULTURA FOR THEIR 25TH THEIR DIA DE LOS MUERTOS CELEBRATION IN THE AMOUNT OF 20 K. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. EXCUSE ME. THE THIS ITEM IS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH ONE WITH LOS MUERTOS EVENT. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM RAICES CULTURAS TO AND IS ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BEING THE PRESENTING SPONSOR IN THE AMOUNT OF $20,000. AND SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THE PRESENTING SPONSORSHIP BENEFIT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GO ANY FURTHER SINCE THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEM. AND I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ITEM. I HEARD YOU SAY, VICE MAYOR, THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING BACK A GRANT OR I'M SORRY. YEAH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS WORKING ON ONE. AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THESE, BUT JUST THAT WE BRING THE POLICY 
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FORWARD. IT'S JUST BEING WORKED ON SO THAT WE JUST HAVE MORE OF A FRAMEWORK TO WORK WITHIN. SO OKAY. CITY ATTORNEY, THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW AND ASK THAT TO BE VOTED. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT ITEM CANNOT BE ADDED AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING YOUR COUNCIL COMMENTS, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW. SO LET'S STICK TO THE MATTER AT HAND. CORRECT. CITY ATTORNEY THE MATTER AT HAND AT HAND IS ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS A SPONSORSHIP IT'S ALREADY BEEN, SO I'M NOT ASKING IT FOR IT TO BE ADDED ON. WELL, THE ADMINISTRATOR ASKED THAT. SO FYI WE'RE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON THIS ITEM. SO THIS IS AN APPROVAL REQUEST FOR ESCULTURA AND. YES IN THE AMOUNT OF $20,000. AND SO WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ITEMIZED COSTS AS WELL? COUNCIL MEMBER IS THAT THE POINT? NO, MAYOR I THINK I'VE I'VE MADE MY COMMENTS AND MY CONCERNS CLEAR. BUT LISTEN, I YOU KNOW, I SEE WHERE MY COLLEAGUES ARE GOING ABOUT THIS. AND AGAIN, IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO BE NOT SUPPORTIVE. IN NO WAY HAVE I NOT PARTICIPATED IN THESE EVENTS DIRECTLY. AND PROBABLY I'M ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED MORE. THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION AT ALL. WHAT I'M JUST REFERRING TO IS JUST THE FINANCIALS. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I UNDERSTAND. COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO'S POINT. YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS TO JUST SEE LIKE REALLY LIKE THE BREAKDOWN. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST KNOW WHERE X DOLLARS IS GOING TO. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SPONSORSHIP AND YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU DICTATE AND SAY WHAT. AND I KNOW THE PALM SPRINGS FILM FESTIVAL, YOU GAVE THEM X AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE $20,000 WENT. YOU KNOW. BUT THIS ONE, RIGHT, TELLS YOU A BREAKDOWN, RIGHT, OF WHERE THESE $20,000 ARE GOING TO GO TO. I THINK THE SAME. IT DOES THE SAME THING. 
          YEAH. BUT THEY IF THEY'RE LIKE MOST OF THEM ARE STANDARD LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE LIKE THAT. SO LET'S GET THIS RIGHT ON WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR. SHE'S NOT ASKING FOR THE BUDGET. SHE'S SHE'S ASKING FOR THE ACTUALS. SHE'S ACTUALLY SHE'S ASKING FOR THE ACTUAL COST THAT WAS INCURRED. SO SHE WANTS TO SEE THE RECEIPTS. CORRECT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME RECEIPTS SO SHE DOESN'T SEE ALL THE RECEIPTS. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LINE ITEM BUDGET OR BUDGETS LIKE PROJECTION ON BUDGETS. WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW IN THE NEXT ITEM WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. AND THEN THERE'S AN AUDIT, I GUESS, WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE ACTUAL THE ACTUALS OF WHAT GOT SPENT. AND SO SHE'S ASKING THAT ALL THESE EVENTS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPONSOR AN EVENT THAT EVERY ONE OF OUR SPONSORSHIP, IF IT'S IN PALM SPRINGS OR WHATEVER, WE WANT TO SEE THE LINE ITEMS OF HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT. THAT'S THE POLICY SHE'S ASKING FOR. I'M SAYING THAT'S A LOT OF WORK, AND I DON'T THINK SPONSORS ARE GOING TO DO THAT, OR PROMOTERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO DO THAT. EITHER YOU'RE SPONSORING THE EVENT OR NOT. AND SO WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION LATER. BUT AT THIS THIS ITEM RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF US IS TO SPONSOR THE LOS MUERTOS. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL? AND I HOPE THAT MOVING FORWARD, THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL FIVE OF US CAN COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT OR WHERE WE CAN MEET SOMEWHERE ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT IT. SO I WISH THAT THERE WAS MORE NOT SUPPORT FROM MY COLLEAGUES, BUT MORE IS, HEY, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THIS WHERE WE CAN DO IT TOGETHER, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND WE'RE NOT ASKING TOO MUCH OF PEOPLE, BUT STILL ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT'S YOUR IDEA WHEN YOU HAVE A COOKED OUT AND THOUGHT THROUGH, BRING IT FORWARD. IT'S YOUR IDEA THAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD. GO AHEAD PLEASE. YES. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER SPONSORING THE RAICES DE LOS MUERTOS EVENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $20,000. THERE'S ONE PRESENTING SPONSOR OPPORTUNITY. AND THAT THAT THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND THERE'S A SECOND. WE GET A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMEMBER FIGUEROA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          DARBY. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO. YES. MAYOR. HERNANDEZ. YES. ITEM NUMBER 12. THIS IS APPROVAL. SPONSORSHIP REQUEST FOR 2025. SYNERGY. SYNERGY DESIGN AND LIVE ART FESTIVAL BY CULTURAL MUSIC AND ARTS. THE AMOUNT OF 20 K AS WELL. YES. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS SPONSORSHIP SUPPORT FOR SYNERGY AND LIVE ART FESTIVAL. AND SO THEY ARE REQUESTING SPONSORSHIP IN THE 
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AMOUNT OF $20,100. AND HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THEIR BUDGET. SO THEY BROKE IT DOWN FOR PUBLICITY AND SOCIAL MEDIA, LIVE ART PERMITS. AND THEN ALSO WE INCLUDED A SECTION FOR IN-KIND REQUESTS. AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CONTROL, TRASH BINS, THE ELECTRIC GENERATORS AND THEN CITY STAFF. TIME TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN THE TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND LIKE THE INTERCHANGEABLE MESSAGE BOARDS. SO WHILE THE REQUEST IS FOR 20,100, THE VALUE OF THE CITY PROVIDED SERVICES WOULD BE AT APPROXIMATELY $10,000. SO WE INCLUDED THIS IN HERE JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD COST. BUT THEIR REQUEST IS FOR $20,100, AND I DO SEE SOME MEMBERS OF THE SYNERGY FESTIVAL HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. IF I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. AND I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM TOO. WELL, IT'S JUST ON THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE JUST NEED TO GIVE THE NAME AND THE CORRECT. SO THIS ONE IS WITH. 
          AURÉLIO ORTIZ ON THE SYNERGY DESIGN AND LIVE ARTS FESTIVAL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM SYNERGY THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT OR. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS FRED WARZEKA. I'M THE ART DIRECTOR AND CURATOR FOR CULTURE AND SYNERGY. MORE OR LESS. I KNOW MONEY IS AN ISSUE, BUT THIS WAS AN EVENT THAT WE WERE GOING TO SCHEDULE TO CANCEL FOR THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, MAYOR SPOKE ABOUT IT LAST YEAR, BUT THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY KIND OF GOT ON OUR HEELS ABOUT IT, SAYING, WHY? WHY NOT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S BEEN AN EVENT SCHEDULED EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. SO WE DECIDED TO KIND OF PEEL IT BACK AND GO AHEAD AND DO THIS EVENT AGAIN. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M OPEN TO A FEW QUESTIONS. KIND OF BEEN OUT OF THE LOOP ON A FEW THINGS. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, THANK YOU. IS IT THE SAME NAME STILL THEY ADDED THE THEY ADDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, RIGHT? TZENA ZINE ZINES ARE ANOTHER. IT'S A IT'S A CHRONOLOGICAL SERIES OF ARTWORK CAN BE WRITTEN DOWN IN BOOKS, DIFFERENT PICTURES. IT'S BECOMING MORE CULTURAL BASED. 
          THINK OF IT AS LIKE GRANDMA'S BOX OF RECIPES. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE PUSH RIGHT NOW IN THE ART COMMUNITY. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, I THINK I STARTED TRACKING IT BACK IN LIKE 2001, BUT IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CULTURAL BASED ON WHATEVER YOUR BACKGROUND CAN BE. SO CARS, FOOD, ARTWORK. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING IN FOR AROUND THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A MOTION, IS THERE ANY CONVERSATIONS, ANY QUESTIONS. YOU DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ACTUALS. YEAH. YOU KNOW I, I LIKE EVERY OTHER ELECTED UP HERE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS. THAT'S WITHIN ANTICIPATING THE QUESTION. BUT I YOU KNOW I DO ASK REGARDLESS OF THAT WE BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER. NO, I THINK I'VE MADE MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE FINANCIALS. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT BRINGING SOMETHING BACK. BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST MAKES ME A BIT MORE COMFORTABLE. THAT IS ALL. IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE. 
          THANK YOU THOUGH. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM? ALL MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND. 
          CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMEMBER. DULL? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO. YES. MAYOR. HERNANDEZ. YES. MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 13. BILL, IS THIS YOU OR. I'M ACTUALLY LINCOLN. LINCOLN'S GOING TO PRESENT THIS LINCOLN. WELCOME, LINCOLN. ITEM NUMBER 13. EXCUSE ME. MAYOR, THERE'S ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON A NON AGENDA ITEM FROM RODRIGO VALDOVINOS. IS IT. IT'S A NON AGENDA ITEM. IS IT 7:00 YET. NO. WE ARE DOING PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 
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THE BEGINNING. OH DID I SKIP THAT. OH MY BAD. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME LINCOLN. CAN YOU HOLD ON ONE MINUTE SIR. MY APOLOGIES. WE'LL GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. RODRIGO. 
          RODRIGO. THEY USED TO HAVE WHEN I STARTED THIS. GET A TRANSLATOR. TENEMOS EN NUESTRA CASA. EXCUSE ME. CAN YOU DIRECT HER TO LOWER THE MIC TO HER MOUTH, PLEASE? CAN YOU REMOVE HIS IPAD FROM THERE, PLEASE? YEAH. DID YOU GUYS NEED ME TO TRANSLATE? WHOEVER A TRANSLATOR IS? WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE AN IN-ROOM TRANSLATOR AT THE MOMENT. OKAY, WE CAN. WE CAN UNDERSTAND. I CAN SPEAK ENGLISH. OH, PERFECT. SO IT'S ABOUT A NOTIFICATION THAT WE RECEIVED REGARDING AN ILLEGAL STRUCTURE IN OUR HOME. SO ACCORDING TO THIS, WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT OR GET A PERMIT. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. AS A CORRECTION. MY HUSBAND CAME TODAY TO GET THE PERMIT BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT WE BUILT IT ABOUT SIX OVER A LITTLE BIT OVER SIX YEARS AGO, WE WERE TOLD THAT NO PERMIT WAS NEEDED. BUT NOW THEY'RE REQUESTING A PERMIT. BUT WHEN HE CAME IN TODAY, HE WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS NO PERMIT. WE HAD TO REMOVE IT. SO NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON. IF AT THE TIME THAT WE DID IT, NO PERMIT WAS NEEDED. OKAY, WHERE'S KENDRA? IS SHE HERE? SHE IS HERE. YOU SEE KENDRA RIGHT THERE. TALK TO HER. SHE'LL HELP YOU WITH THE DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IN ORDER TO GET A PERMIT AND COME INTO COMPLIANCE. OKAY. 
          SO, YEAH, THERE IS A PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS, ETC, BUT KENDRA WILL HELP YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON. LINCOLN, IS THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER? SORRY. YES. UNDER FOR ITEM NUMBER 12, JOHN GONZALEZ. YOU JUST WE APPROVED THAT. OH, I'M SORRY, BUT JOHN GONZALEZ IS NO LONGER HERE, SO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LINCOLN. LINCOLN. YOU'RE UP. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE PROVISION OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 7507. THE PENSION PLANS ALLOW US TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE LONG PERIODS OF SERVICE OF TEN YEARS OR MORE TO GET A RETIREMENT OPTION THAT ALLOWS THEM TWO EXTRA YEARS OF SERVICE CREDIT AS AN INCENTIVE TO TAKE A RETIREMENT. AT THIS TIME, THE CITY HAS 16 ELIGIBLE EMPLOYEES. 12 OF THEM ARE MISCELLANEOUS PLAN CLASSIC MEMBERS. TWO OF THEM ARE MISCELLANEOUS PLANS SECOND TIER, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY LOWER PENSION LEVEL, AND TWO OF THEM ARE PEPPER EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS THE CURRENT RETIREMENT MODEL. THE ACTUAL COST OF THE ITEM WOULD DEPEND ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT TAKE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE IF IT WERE OFFERED. I DID SOME ANALYSIS OF THE ACTUARIAL REPORT. AND IF ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES TOOK THE OPTION AND WE REPLACED EVERY EMPLOYEE, THE ACTUARIAL COSTS ARE 392,000. BUT OUR SAVINGS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE 503,000, WITH A SAVINGS OF 110,000. IF EVERY EMPLOYEE TOOK THE HANDSHAKE AND WE DIDN'T REPLACE ANY EMPLOYEES. SO WE UNFUNDED THE POSITIONS, THE ACTUARIAL COST WOULD BE 1.1, AND THE SAVINGS EACH YEAR GOING FORWARD WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION. SO THE FIRST YEAR SAVINGS WOULD BE 400,000. WITH THAT SAID, BASICALLY THAT MEANS THAT IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF IN THE FIRST YEAR. BUT FOR ANY POSITIONS THAT ARE UNFUNDED, THOSE SAVINGS WILL GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. THE CITY AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS HAS TO DESIGNATE AN ADVANCE AT 
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LEAST ONE POSITION TO BE UNFUNDED. THE CITY HAS DONE SOME ANALYSIS AND IDENTIFIED THE POSITIONS THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING, AND WE ESTIMATE THAT THE SAVINGS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $250,000 A YEAR, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, TOTALING ABOUT $1.25 MILLION. I THINK WE HAD SOME AMPLE CONVERSATION AT OUR SPECIAL MEETING OF WHERE WE WENT OVER THE BUDGET, AND I THINK THE IDEA AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BILL, IS TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT BY GETTING IN FRONT OF IT. AND SO WE IF ANYTHING FROM THE BUDGET IS THAT WE HAVE SOME BIG THREATS, YOU KNOW, SLOWING DOWN OF THE ECONOMY, HIGH INTEREST RATES, COMPETITION FROM OUR TRIBES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOST LIKE 1.3, 1.4 MILLION IN GAS TAX, RIGHT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE FOUND SOME MONEY, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED OTHER CUTS OR NOT FILLING LIKE ELIMINATING SOME POSITIONS THAT WILL GIVE US A POSITIVE. AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE IS LET'S GET IN FRONT OF IT. LET'S SEE IF SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT TO GIVE US SOME BREATHING ROOM TO PLAN AHEAD. YEAH. AND FOR THE GENERAL FUND, THE MAJORITY OF EXPENDITURES AS A SERVICE ORGANIZATION, A CITY IS IN EMPLOYEE SALARIES AND BENEFITS. AND THIS ALLOWS US TO REDUCE THAT ONGOING OUTFLOW AND INCREASING THROUGH COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS AND STEP INCREASES WITHOUT DOING LAYOFFS AND LEAVING IT UP. IT'S VOLUNTARY SO NO EMPLOYEE IS FORCED TO TAKE A GOOD POINT. I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT. ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL? ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD A QUESTION. SO THE SAVINGS YOU HAD, THE ACTUARIAL $393,000 WOULD BE THE INITIAL. WELL, IT DEPENDS THE WAY THE ACTUARY REPORT IS WRITTEN. THE COST IS SPREAD OVER FIVE YEARS. SO. AND THEY ONLY ASSUME THAT EVERYONE TAKES IT. BUT WE REPLACE EVERYONE AND EVERYONE TAKES IT, BUT WE DON'T REPLACE ANYONE. SO I RAN ON BOTH OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, AND THE FULL COST OF THE ACTUARY IS COVERED IN THE FIRST YEAR UNDER EACH OF THOSE, EVEN THOUGH THE COST WOULD BE SPREAD OVER FIVE YEARS. SO THE SAVINGS IN YEAR ONE WOULD BE BIGGER. BUT THE ESTIMATE IS THAT PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTARILY, VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE THIS OPTION, WE WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN ABOUT A $250,000 SAVINGS PER YEAR ONGOING FOR FIVE YEARS AT LEAST, UNLESS WE RAMP UP STAFFING AGAIN. CORRECT. SO LIKE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS YOU THE CITY THEN CHOOSES RIGHT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MANAGER. THE CITY MANAGER LIKE WHAT POSITIONS ACTUALLY GET FROZEN OR DO THE DOES THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO STATE WHICH ONES BASED ON THE BUDGET EVERY CYCLE? WELL, IF WE ARE GETTING RID OF A POSITION, I BELIEVE THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN COME TO THE PUBLIC OPEN SESSION, CORRECT. UNTIL THE DECISION IS MADE BY THE EMPLOYEES, IF THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY CHOOSING TO GO THAT DIRECTION. LET ME CLARIFY. IT'S IN HISTORICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S LIKE WHAT POSITIONS USUALLY GO. IS IT LIKE THE HIGHER PAID SALARIES FIRST OR THEY OR YOU LUMP THEM TOGETHER THE LOWER PAID SALARY POSITIONS FIRST? HOW DO YOU CHOOSE. IT'S ACTUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD. IT'S ACROSS THE IT'S VOLUNTARY. IT HAS TO IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR AGE AND HOW MANY YEARS OF SERVICE YOU HAVE, AND THE TYPE OF PLAN THAT YOU FALL UNDER FOR PERS. SO THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S LIKE 16 I THINK IS WHAT YOU'D SAY. THEY'RE 16 ELIGIBLE ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE. AND OF THOSE, SUPPOSE THAT SOMEBODY WAS IN SUPPOSEDLY HAD POLICE OR FIRE AND THEY WERE AND A CAPTAIN WAS GOING TO LEAVE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CAPTAIN. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THIS PERSON WOULD ELECT TO TAKE THE TWO YEARS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO FILL THAT POSITION AFTER THE FACT. BUT THE IDEA IS TO IS OKAY, SO THEY GO. BUT YOU ALSO IMAGINE THAT SOMEBODY WITH TENURE IS GOING TO BE AT THE TOP STEP OF THE, YOU KNOW, OF THE PAY SCALE. YOU'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY IN, NOT NECESSARILY THERE. SO THERE WILL BE AN INCREMENTAL SAVINGS, BUT OVERALL WITHIN THE WHOLE WITH AT LEAST ONE PERSON HAS TO NOT FILL A POSITION. BILL TO THIS IS VOLUNTARY. YES IT IS. THIS IS NOT BEING FORCED. NO, NO. AND IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. YEAH. 
          THEY GET A PERIOD TO CHOOSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO RETIRE. AND THEN THEY HAVE BETWEEN 3 AND 6 
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MONTHS TO ACTUALLY RETIRE. YEAH. AND THEN, AND THEN JUST TO FURTHER EXPAND IF A POSITION IS FROZEN OR ADDED THIS COUNCIL DOES THAT. YES. THAT'S. YES. SO ANYTHING CLASS AND COMP WHERE WE'RE ADJUSTING THE NUMBER OF FULL TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES THAT GOES TO COUNCIL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF THE CITY COUNCIL? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STEPS LINCOLN. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE SAVINGS. ARE WE THEN THINKING THAT THE EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE THE REPLACEMENTS ARE COMING IN IN A STEP ONE OR STEP TWO? WE I ACTUALLY ASSUME THAT THE EMPLOYEES COMING IN WOULD BE THE SAME, BUT IT WOULD BE LOWER BECAUSE I DID TOTAL COMP. AND MOST EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE COMING IN NOW WOULD BE ON THE LOWEST PENSION TIER, THE PEPRA, AND MOST ALMOST LIKE THE VAST MAJORITY, ARE ON THE HIGHEST PENSION TIER THAT ARE ELIGIBLE. 
          SO IF THEY CHOSE TO GO, WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO REPLACE THEM WITH A LOWER COST EMPLOYEE, NOT ONLY FOR THE STEP THAT THEY'RE AT, BUT ALSO FOR THE COST OF THEIR BENEFITS. SO IT'S BACK TO BILL'S POINT. IT'S WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SO MUCH WHAT STEP THEY'RE COMING IN, BUT MORE ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN THE PENSION. YEAH. AND ALSO THE TIME IT TAKES TO REFILL THE POSITION OR IF IT'S UNFUNDED, JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT COST IS GOING AWAY FOR EVERY YEAR TO COME. 
          MAKES SENSE. AND SO AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS PART OF MY CONVERSATION THE LAST TIME, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S LEAVING AT STEP FOUR, BUT THEN BEING HIRED AT STEP THREE BECAUSE WE JUST COME ACROSS SOMEONE WHO'S JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCED AND WE REALLY WANT THEM TO WORK HERE, THEN THE SAVINGS IS NOT SO MUCH THERE. AND SO THANK YOU FOR WELL, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT I PROJECTED BECAUSE I ASSUMED IF SOMEONE WAS AT STEP FOUR, THE PERSON THAT CAME IN WAS THE SAME STEP, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. SO THANK YOU FOR PROJECTING FOR STEP FOUR COMING IN. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. WHAT ARE THE WISHES OF CITY COUNCIL? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? SO THIS IS A TWO PART STEP RIGHT. IT'S THIS ONE. AND THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO OPEN IT UP AND NOTICE IT. JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T KNOW THE STEPS. CORRECT. GO FOR PEOPLE, NOT A PERSON, INDIVIDUALS I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. A MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAD A ROLL CALL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA. 
          NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MEAD. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO. NO. MAYOR. HERNANDEZ. YES. WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION NOW IS, HOW DOES THE COUNCIL ADDRESS THE BUDGET DEFICIT IF THIS IS NOT AN OPTION? AND SO I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT AND LET STAFF KNOW TO BE PREPARED FOR SOME LAYOFFS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE'RE HEADED. SO WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 14, THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. AND I WOULD SAY AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE, WE LEAVE IT TO STAFF SO THAT WE FIND, YOU KNOW, OTHER OTHER OPTIONS. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY I DON'T THINK NO IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SAYING NO RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. BUT I YOU KNOW, I DO I DO WANT TO BE AND I SAY THIS TO, TO THE MAYOR REALLY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE DECISIONS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN COME UP WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE MONIES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE LEAVE THAT TO STAFF AND GIVE SOME DIRECTION. ACTUALLY, STAFF HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION. AND IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE AGENDA. THEY THEY IDENTIFIED BUDGET SAVINGS THROUGH OFFERING A GOLDEN HANDSHAKE. THEY'VE IDENTIFIED INCREASES IN REVENUE BY FREEZING POSITIONS. AND THEY ALSO ARE CALLING FOR THE ELIMINATION OF THE FIRE INSPECTOR THAT ONCE THEY CAME IN THERE WAS GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF. SO THOSE ARE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU'RE SAYING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SO THEN WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT. SO THE VOTE'S ALREADY BEEN PLACED. NO. YEAH BUT BUT BUT THIS IS ABOUT BALANCING THE BUDGET. YOU THE IS A IS A BUDGET BALANCE RIGHT NOW LINCOLN. YES. 
          THE GENERAL FUND IS HAS A NET INCOME PROJECTION OF 72,000 AS OF RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. SO 
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ASSUMING THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE OTHER MOVES, WHICH IS TO FREEZE POSITIONS AND TO GO AHEAD AND. LET THE FIRE INSPECTION BE ON NOTICE. YES. AND TO TAKE IN REVENUE, CONSIDERING P7 IS STILL YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH. AND WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED REVENUE FROM YOUR YOUR CONCERN HERE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE IT. IT'S A ONE TIME FIX CORRECT BILL THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IT FOR THE BUDGET ITEM. NOT SO MUCH FOR THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES BECAUSE WE ALREADY PUT A VOTE TO THAT. SO WE CAN START WITH THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND BRING THE BUDGET. SO AT LEAST I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BUDGET NOW. CERTAINLY. AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS CONVERSATION HAS ALREADY BEEN HAD. WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THE BUDGET AT OUR OTHER MEETING. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING OVER THIS NOW. SO THIS IS A NEW BUT THE CONCERNS OF STAFF WAS, IS THAT THESE ARE ONE TIME FIXES AND WE SEE A STRUCTURAL DEFICIT STILL IN THE FUTURE. AND WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS DECIDING IS THAT WE DON'T WANT BREATHING ROOM. SO GO AHEAD LINCOLN. THANK YOU LINCOLN. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THE PRIOR PRESENTATION IS THE ADDITION OF THE 67,000, I THINK IN VLF REVENUE IN PROPERTY TAXES. SO IT ADJUSTS OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE TO 29.6 MILLION AND OVERALL GENERAL FUND REVENUES TO 39.3 MILLION. THE REVENUE MAKEUP, AGAIN, THE ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE IN THE VLF FEES. MOVING THAT TO 7.7 MILLION. THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT. WE. OH, AND I'M SORRY. WE DID ALSO INCLUDE THE P SEVEN ANNEXATION. SO THAT'S ALSO IN THE REVENUES THE. EXPENDITURES WE IMPLEMENTE, THE REDUCTION IN REVENUE FOR THE FIRE INSPECTIONS BECAUSE IT WASN'T GOING TO RAMP UP TO COVER ITSELF IN YEAR ONE. SO THAT REMOVED 150,000 IN REVENUE, AND IT REDUCED EXPENDITURES BY 375,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT IS REMOVED OUT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE SERVICE LINE. 
          THE EXPENDITURES BY CATEGORY. YOU CAN SEE THAT SALARIES AND BENEFITS. WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED SOME FROM 10 MILLION TO 9.5 MILLION. STILL THE LARGEST CHUNK OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES EXCEPT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS PRIMARILY SALARIES AND BENEFITS AS WELL. THE GENERAL FUND ANALYSIS AT THIS POINT IS BREAKEVEN $72,347. BUDGET SURPLUS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526. WE HAD IDENTIFIED THE POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENT FROM THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 250,000 THAT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM. IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS HERE. THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE. WE ONLY INCLUDED THE ASSIGNMENTS THAT WE PLAN TO KEEP GOING FORWARD. WE PLAN TO LOOK AT ASSIGNMENTS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED, AND BRING AN ITEM TO POTENTIALLY UNASSIGNED. THOSE THE ASSIGNMENTS WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE UPGRADE AT 931,238. WE REMOVED THE REORGANIZATION STAFFING OF 600,000, OUR UNFUNDED ACTUARIAL LIABILITY BASED ON POLICY AT 1.4 MILLION, AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS. THE ASSIGNMENT WENT UP 761,000 TO 2.76 MILLION. AND WE'RE PLANNING TO REMOVE THE FIRE STATION LAND 1 MILLION ASSIGNMENT COMMITTED. 
          EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY RESERVE REDUCED BY 729,000 TO 9.8 MILLION. OUR RESTRICTED, I ASSUME NO CHANGES, ALTHOUGH THAT IS GOING POTENTIALLY TO BE DIFFERENT BASED ON THE RESULTS 
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OF AUDIT AND OUR NON-EXPENDABLE. I LEFT THE SAME AS WELL AND THOSE WILL FLUCTUATE SOMEWHAT BASED ON AUDIT. OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE FOR 2526 IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY ABOUT 1.64 MILLION. IT IS EXPECTED, BASED ON THE FINAL BUDGET, FOR 2425, TO REDUCE BY ABOUT 8.25 MILLION. SO OUR LAST AUDITED UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE WAS 20.6 MILLION. AND WE'RE PROJECTING TO END 2026 AT 13.98 MILLION. THEN I DID AN ALL FUND SUMMARY. THIS IS THE REVENUE SUMMARY. GENERAL FUND IS AT THE TOP. THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS SOME YEARS THEY DO BETTER THAN OTHERS. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION. THEY'RE RESTRICTED FUNDS BASED ON GRANT FUNDING OR MONEY THAT COMES IN THROUGH ITEMS THAT ARE RESTRICTED BY LEGISLATION AND CAN ONLY BE SPENT BY FOR THOSE PURPOSES. SO THIS YEAR, WE'RE EXPECTING 29.1 MILLION IN REVENUE, PRETTY FLAT FROM LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 30.9 MILLION. THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WERE SHOWING A SLIGHT INCREASE IN REVENUE TO 23.5 MILLION CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE HAVE 53.4 MILLION BUDGETED, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR FROM 18.9 MILLION DEBT SERVICE, 1.3 MILLION FOR TOTAL REVENUES OF 146.7 MILLION. FOR EXPENDITURES. 
          OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS ARE EXPECTING TO COME IN AT ABOUT 32.6 MILLION, WHICH. IS GOING TO USE SOME OF THE RESERVES THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE FUNDS. AGAIN, SOME YEARS YOUR RESERVES GROW AND SOME YEARS THEY GO DOWN. CAPITAL PROJECTS WERE EXPECTING TO EXPEND VERY CLOSE TO EXACTLY THE REVENUES COMING IN. THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE BOTH RUNNING AT A DEFICIT AS FAR AS THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES GO, HOWEVER, WILL LOOK AT THOSE LATER. MOST OF THAT DEFICIT IS CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO THE OPERATING IS GOING TO BE BREAKEVEN ON THOSE. SO THE FUND BALANCE SUMMARY. SO SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. A GOOD PORTION OF THAT IS FROM JUNE 30TH, 2025. PROJECTIONS. SO WHERE THAT ACTUALLY COMES IN WILL ACTUALLY ADJUST IT. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO COME IN AS BAD AS EXPECTED. THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE ABOUT 25 MILLION IN NET POSITION. CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE NEGATIVE, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH TIMING OF CASH FLOWS. DEBT SERVICE IS POSITIVE FOR THE DEBT THAT WE HOLD. OUR OVERALL NET POSITION, GOVERNMENT WIDE IS EXPECTED TO BE AROUND 29.3 MILLION. SO FOR THE WATER AUTHORITY, WE WERE CONSERVATIVE ON OUR UTILITY SERVICE, CONNECTION FEES AND UTILITY SERVICE REVENUES BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING. THERE'S A RATE STUDY IN PROCESS. WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION DURING THE BUDGET. 
          IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL COME FORWARD FROM THE CONSULTANTS WHEN THE RATE STUDY IS COMPLETED. THE EXPENDITURES TOTAL EXPENDITURES 12.3 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE THAT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN WATER IS AT 7.229 MILLION. DEPRECIATION IS 1.2 MILLION. THAT'S NON-CASH. IT IS AN INCOME STATEMENT ITEM, BUT IT DOESN'T IMPACT YOUR CASH. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE NET POSITION, THE UNRESTRICTED PROJECTED FOR 2425 WAS 1.6. WE'RE EXPECTING TO END THIS LAST YEAR AT 3.1. AND 
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THAT IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE TO 2.6 AT THE END OF THIS COMING YEAR. WITH THAT SAID, THE SURPLUS THE OPERATING SURPLUS IS $237,000. AND I DID AN ANALYSIS ON THE CASH POSITIONS. SO THE FUND, THE WATER FUND HAS 15.67 MILLION. AND 11.76 MILLION IN WATER CONNECTION FEES FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE 7.3 MILLION IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE PLANNED WILL COME OUT OF THAT. SO THAT WILL BRING THAT DOWN TO ABOUT FOUR SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE THOSE STUDIES, THE RATE STUDIES, BUT THE PROJECTS. BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DEPRECIATION OF OUR ASSETS AND ULTIMATELY WHAT OUR LONG TERM LIABILITY IS IN, IN FUNDING THAT DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE. THAT WAY WE CAN GET A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF I MEAN, PEOPLE MAY SAY, OH, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S NOT I MEAN, WELL ONE WELL IS LIKE 18 MILLION, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET A LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR ASSETS ARE THE USEFULNESS OF THEM GOES DOWN THE LIFE CYCLE. SO THE DEPRECIATION EXPENSE IS HOW MUCH THE VALUE OF YOUR ASSETS ARE COMING DOWN EACH YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 2.1 MILLION THIS YEAR. SO OF THE VALUE OF THE ASSETS AND WATER THAT ARE DEPRECIABLE, IT'S REDUCING IN VALUE BY $2.1 MILLION. AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS CONVERSATION IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE BIG THREATS AGAIN. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION. AND NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE A DOOZY, BECAUSE NOT ONLY I THINK I'M A PREDICTED TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A GREATER STRUCTURAL BALANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE BIG THREATS. PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY, WHAT, EIGHT 9% BILL TEN? YES, I'M EXPECTING ANOTHER 1.8 TO $2 MILLION. AND THEN WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE IS GIVE US INSTEAD OF 72, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, 400 SO THAT IT'S NOT AS BAD. BUT THE COUNCIL DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT. SO THESE TWO WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS THAT HERE AGAIN, NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT PREDICAMENT IN THE GENERAL BUDGET, BUT IN THE WATER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAWS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO OUR RESIDENTS AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR RATES BECAUSE ALL OF THIS. SO NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE A REALLY PRECARIOUS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TIME AND UNSETTLING, IN MY OPINION, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD OF IT. RIGHT. 
          I MAINLY SHOWED THIS SLIDE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THE CASH POSITION AT THE END OF 2526 IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE BY OVER $7 MILLION, SO IT'S GOING TO CUT THE CASH IN HALF, AT WHICH POINT WE'RE GOING TO BE TO THE POINT WHERE CAPITAL PROJECTS NEED TO BE BOND FUNDED. WE CAN'T DO IT OUT OF CASH ON HAND, WHICH WHICH WE DON'T WANT. I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO BONDING, I MEAN, IDEALLY YOU WANT TO SET UP YOUR ENTERPRISES WHERE YOU'RE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONNECTION FEES AND YOUR DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE, ETC. ARE PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR PROJECTS. I MEAN, IDEALLY, I MEAN COACHELLA, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE I'M THE FINANCE GUY. SO I'M GOING TO ARGUE ON THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW WHEN YOU BUY YOUR HOUSE YOU GET A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING USEFULNESS OUT OF IT FOR 30 YEARS. IF YOU HAVE RATEPAYERS TODAY PAYING FOR A BRAND NEW WAY STATION OR WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THEY'RE COVERING THE COST FOR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING 30 YEARS FROM NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR, BECAUSE IT WAS PAID FOR. THE PEOPLE BACK HERE, ON THE OTHER HAND, YEAH, IF YOU COULD BE IN THAT POSITION THEN 30 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THEY DO NEED ANOTHER ONE, THE CASH IS THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR IT AND THE MONEY IS BUILDING UP AGAIN. SO I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES. BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY DEFINITE REASON WHY THE FINANCING OPTION IS A GOOD ONE FOR MOST GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT FLOATING IN CASH. SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE FLOATING IN CASH IS THE ISSUE. I MEAN, WHEN WE SET IT UP, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW DO WE WANT TO SET IT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ISSUE ANYWAYS. THAT'S THERE'S GOING TO BE GREATER CONVERSATION. THERE'S $7 MILLION IN PROJECTS COMING. AND THEN AT WHICH POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BOND, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT AT LEAST FROM ROUGH ESTIMATES, THAT I'M HEARING ABOUT $100 MILLION CIP IMPROVEMENT TO ADDRESS THE CHROME SIX. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE MAINTENANCE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. BILL. RIGHT. SO, SO I GOT IT. JUST LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE BIG. YEAH. OKAY. ARE YOU 
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SAYING THAT THE $100 MILLION BOND IS JUST FOR THE CHROMIUM SIX? OR ON TOP OF THAT, SOME OF THE SIPS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST CHROMIUM SIX. SO AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THE NUMBER KEEPS CHANGING. SO WHERE ARE WE AT. IT WAS 70 MILLION. I THINK IT'S BETWEEN 70 AND 85 MILLION. 
          BUT AND WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE STATE WATER BOARD AND THE SRF TO TRY TO GET LOW INTEREST LOANS OR GRANTS. AND THAT STUFF WILL COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A TIMELINE, BECAUSE WE MET WITH THE CONSULTANT YESTERDAY, AND WE NEED TO SPEED THIS UP. IT NEEDS TO BE BEFORE COUNCIL, PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH. WE JUST NEED GOOD NUMBERS FOR WHAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO COST AND TO KNOW BETTER WHAT OUR FINANCING OPTIONS ARE. SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL. THAT'S SO. SO THE CHROMIUM SIX IS 70 MILLION TO 85 MILLION, NOT 100 MILLION. BUT THEN ON TOP OF THAT, PHIL, THAT'S A WELL THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. I SHOULDN'T GO INTO CHROMIUM SIX. BUT THANK YOU I, I AM RELEVANT HERE. SO GO AHEAD. WOULD THE ONE LIKE I WOULD I COULD THINK SEE THE 100 MILLION ENCOMPASSING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE THOUGH LIKE YEAH IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN 1.5 AND $2 MILLION A YEAR. AND THAT'S AS WE GO, PAY AS WE GO, BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE TO START PAYING FOR THE O&M UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GO OPERATIONAL. BUT THEN THERE'S GOING TO WHEN WE'RE ON THE CALL YESTERDAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING STAFF. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO PLAY INTO IT. SO ULTIMATELY, BY THE TIME YOU GET IF WE HAVE TO BOND AND WE HAVE TO GET UNDERWRITERS AND THE COST IS GOING TO GO UP, AND IF THERE'S A HORRIBLE TIME FOR FINANCING SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. ALTHOUGH I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A BANKER TODAY AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE SHORT TERM OR THE LONG TERM RATES ARE BEING PUSHED DOWN BY THE MARKET RIGHT NOW IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND FORCE THE FED TO BEGIN TO LOWER RATES. AND THEY EXPECT THE FED TO START THAT MOVEMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE'LL SEE IF IT PLAYS OUT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL BE A LONG TERM REDUCTION IN RATES REALLY DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF RATE REDUCTIONS IN THE NEAR TERM THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US FOR THE TIMING. I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY PROCEED WITH THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO. WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME SRF LOAN AT 1%. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN WITH 75 BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY COMPETING AGENCIES. AND LAST I HEARD THERE'S LIKE MAYBE $400 MILLION STATEWIDE. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GENEROUS AND DO IT ALL. YEAH. BUT EVEN IF THEY ONLY DO A PART OF IT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME SORT OF LOAN FORGIVENESS THAT GOES INTO A PART OF THAT. SO IT MIGHT REDUCE OUR OVERALL PAYMENT STRUCTURE OVER THE COURSE OF THE LOAN. I MEAN, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH DISCUSSIONS TO BE CONFIRMED, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M NOT I'M NOT A WISHFUL THINKING PERSON. I'D WANT TO SEE IT. AND THEN THE OTHER THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS THAT THEN WE HAVE TO GO BE PREPARED TO GO TO THE MARKET. SO IT'S LIKE TWOFOLD. YEAH, THERE ARE STILL OTHER OPTIONS. THERE'S KIND OF BANKS THAT ONLY DO PUBLIC UNDERWRITING LIKE IBANK. IT'S A CALIFORNIA LENDER FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. YOU CAN GET REASONABLE LOANS. AS A SMALL COMMUNITY. YOU CAN GET LIKE A RATE REDUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE THERE ARE OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT, BUT WE ARE STARTING TO PLAN TO MEET WITH THE MUNICIPAL ADVISOR. 
          TO STRATEGIZE ON THAT IN THE COMING WEEKS. SINCE WE'RE SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHROMIUM SIX IN DETAIL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 70 MILLION TO 85 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO BOND OUT FOR BILL TO COVER FOR CHROMIUM SIX. THAT DOESN'T COVER O&M. AND THAT'S SAYING THAT, HEY, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET THE BOND. SO IF IT'S 70 MILLION TO 85 MILLION, THAT'S SAYING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET APPROVED FOR 85 MILLION, RIGHT? SO IF WE DON'T GET APPROVED FOR 85 MILLION, SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE JUST APPROVED FOR 70 MILLION FOR THE SAKE OF THIS CONVERSATION, THEN WE NEED TO START COMING UP WITH WITH OPTIONS OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, NOT INCLUDING THE O&M. RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. AND IN FACT, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR RATE SET BEFORE WE GO TO MARKET, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE RATES IN PLACE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE FUNDING. SO WHEN WE FORECAST IT'S ALMOST GOING TO BE A WORST CASE SCENARIO, BECAUSE IF WE NEED LESS, THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF WE NEED MORE, WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO PLAN RIGHT FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I'M I'M POINTING THAT OUT. AND SO I KNOW I'M THINKING YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY FOR LOAN FORGIVENESS, BUT SHOULD WE NOT. THEN WE HAVE TO START PLANNING, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT THAT MEANS. IF WE CAN'T GET BONDED OUT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHAT THE TRUE COST AND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE TO OUR COMMUNITY. DID YOU HAVE AND THEN 
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IN ADDITION, IS THAT WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH, TOO, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE CHROMIUM SIX IS IN PHASES, RIGHT? AND MEANING FROM LIKE PRIORITY. AND THEN AT SOME POINT AT SOME DATE, THEN IT FALLS UNDER WHERE WE'RE SETTING THOSE MAILERS. AND I DON'T WANT TO GO BEYOND IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. AND THEN AND THEN BEING PREPARED PRIOR TO THE LITERATURE THAT HAS TO GO OUT INFORMING THE PUBLIC. SO LET ME LET ME JUST ADD SOME KIND OF LAST UPDATES. WE'VE BEEN HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WATER BOARD, WHO MANAGES THE SRF PROGRAM. WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR THE LOAN FORGIVENESS, THE PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS CAP TO BE MOVED TO 50 MILLION FOR 5 MILLION, WHICH IS VERY POSITIVE. THERE WAS A HEARING. YEAH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FIGUEROA PARTICIPATED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH FOR. I THINK IT'S DOABLE. BUT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IT'S NOT REAL UNTIL YOU HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED. BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM THAT AT LEAST THAT WILL BE THE LIMIT THAT IS SET IS THE 50 MILLION PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS, WHICH IS. A HUGE BENEFIT FROM OUR ORIGINAL KIND OF PROJECTION, THAT WE WOULD ONLY GET 5 MILLION, AND THAT THE REST WOULD HAVE COME FROM A LOW INTEREST LOAN. DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED OF THE STATE WATER BOARD WAS THAT IF WE COULD ONLY QUALIFY FOR 50 MILLION AS THE PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS CAP, WHETHER THE REMAINDER WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ROLL INTO THE OTHER BUCKET OF MONEY, WHICH IS THE LOW INTEREST LOAN. SO IF OUR PROJECT WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION ALREADY TO THE STATE BACK IN JULY, JULY 11TH, AND THE REQUEST IN THAT APPLICATION WAS FOR 84 MILLION. AND SO UNDER THIS BEST CASE SCENARIO, I THINK WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD GET 50 MILLION PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS AND THEN THE 34 MILLION WOULD ROLL INTO A LOW INTEREST LOAN THROUGH THE SRF. IF SOMEHOW THAT DIDN'T PLAY OUT, THEN THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE THE BONDING AND KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT EFFORT. IN REGARDS TO THE O&M. YEAH, THAT'S JUST THAT. THOSE ARE JUST CAPITAL COSTS. THE O&M PROJECTED 1.5 TO 2 MILLION AS CITY MANAGER AS ADJUSTED, WHICH INCLUDES A MINIMUM OF TWO FTES. ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THE CHROMIUM SIX TREATMENT, THE STATE WOULD WILL REQUIRE US TO HAVE CERTIFIED TREATMENT OPERATORS. RIGHT NOW, OUR SYSTEM DOES NOT REQUIRE TREATMENT OPERATORS. IT ONLY REQUIRES DISTRIBUTION OPERATORS. ONCE WE IMPLEMENT CHROMIUM SIX TREATMENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WE ACTUALLY WILL BE CONSIDERED A SYSTEM THAT HAS TREATMENT. AND SO THAT'S THOSE ARE THE TWO ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ROLL IN AS PART OF THAT OPERATION. WE HAD OUR CONVERSATION WITH DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER TODAY, BECAUSE WE ARE ON THE SCHEDULE TO SUBMIT OUR COMPLIANCE PLAN. THAT COMPLIANCE PLAN KIND OF LAYS OUT A SCHEDULE FOR DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER THAT. SHOWS THEM WHEN WE EXPECT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS WHAT WE WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A COMPLIANCE PLAN THAT HAS WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A FEASIBLE SCHEDULE. WE THINK THAT IT'S WRONG FOR US TO SHOW THAT WE WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE IN OCTOBER OF 2027, WHEN THAT'S VERY UNLIKELY. AND SO THEY'VE THEY'VE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF GUIDANCE FOR US BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT YET. SO THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE SUBMIT THE COMPLIANCE PLAN SHOWING THAT SCHEDULE. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO PUSH THE COMPLIANCE DATE FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT TO CARRY US AS AS FAR AS EARLY 2029. AND SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET AN APPROVAL ON THAT, I THINK THAT WILL SOFTEN THE WAY WE IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT. RIGHT NOW, THE RATE STUDY IS SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GENERATE ALL THAT REVENUE BY OCTOBER 2027, EARLY IN 2027. RIGHT. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO SET A RATE SCHEDULE FOR THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, BUT JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT SINCE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT COSTS AND APPLICATION WHEN IT WAS FOR 84 MILLION. WHEN IS THE DEADLINE RIGHT NOW FOR COMPLIANCE? OCTOBER 2027. IS THE 
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DEADLINE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE ON ON NOTICE TO BECAUSE OF THE EXCEEDANCE PRIOR TO PRIOR TO THE COMPLIANCE DATE. IF YOU HAVE AN EXCEEDANCE PRIOR TO THE COMPLIANCE DATE, YOU TRIGGER THE TIER TWO NOTICE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SENT OUT ALREADY BACK IN JULY. AND WE'RE WE'RE ON SCHEDULE TO SEND OUT THOSE NOTICES, LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE. WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION. AND SO THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW IS. OUR SYSTEM'S GOING TO BE IN VIOLATION IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY THEIR COMPLIANCE DATE IN THE REGULATION? RIGHT NOW, THERE'S LEGISLATION THROUGH SENATOR CABALLERO, WHO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TO TRY, AND IT'S ACTUALLY MOVING THROUGH THE SENATE, AND IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE IN FRONT OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, AT THE LEGISLATURE, AT THE ASSEMBLY. AND IT HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT. THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. I THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS ARE ON BOARD. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE POSITIVE. BUT WITH THIS, WITH THIS BILL IS TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF THAT IF DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER APPROVES A COMPLIANCE PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT BY NEXT TUESDAY, THAT IF THEY APPROVE A COMPLIANCE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, PAST YOUR COMPLIANCE DATE IN THE REGULATION, AND THAT YOU HAVE A YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING A. YOU KNOW, A BEST EFFORT, RIGHT, THAT IF YOU HAVE AN APPROVED COMPLIANCE PLAN THAT GOES BEYOND YOUR COMPLIANCE DATE, THAT YOU TECHNICALLY WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING THE COMPLIANCE TIMELINE AND WE'RE PUSHING FOR 29, WHAT I DON'T WANT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT FROM WHAT YOU SAID, IS THAT I DON'T WANT US TO TRIGGER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE IN VIOLATION IN 2027, THEN HAVE TO CARRY THAT FOR TWO YEARS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH FOR IS 2029. I DO I DO RECALL WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE THAT ONE OF THE DIRECTORS FROM THE WATER BOARD WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO REDO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN, BUT SHE WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME TYPE OF LOAN FORGIVENESS AT THAT TIME. AND I REMEMBER AND SO I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO LEGISLATORS, WE'RE ALSO ASKING IS, HEY, GIVE US A BREAK AND JUST PUSH OUT THE DEADLINE SO THAT IT'S MORE REASONABLE AND WE CAN MEET THESE DEADLINES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE FEEL A BIT OVERWHELMED WITH IT. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I IT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO EMPOWER DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER. AND IF DIVISION OF DRINKING WATER APPROVES A COMPLIANCE PLAN THAT IS BEYOND YOUR COMPLIANCE DATE, THEN THAT'S THE WAY AROUND IT. BUT THAT IS YET TO HAPPEN. THROUGH THE VOTE AT THE LEGISLATURE. BUT AT LEAST THE BILL IS MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. THANK YOU COUNCIL, I WOULD MENTION WE'RE NOT IN THIS ALONE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME BOAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. 
          EVERYBODY JUST THE AGENCIES THAT ARE HAVE CHROME SIX. WELL THAT'S LIKE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. IT'S EVERYWHERE. BUT I THINK TOO IS THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT CHROMIUM SIX, BUT THEN OTHER WATER AGENCIES ARE CHALLENGED WITH OTHER TYPES OF CHALLENGES. THAT AND DEADLINES THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET AS WELL MIGHT NOT BE CHROMIUM. I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT CHROMIUM SIX AND CHROMIUM THREE ARE BASICALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE IN THE WATER. TESTING CHROMIUM THREE IS HEALTHY FOR YOU, AND CHROMIUM SIX IS NOT. AND THEY'RE LIMITING THE TESTING AT TEN PARTS PER BILLION, WHEREAS THE HISTORICAL WAS 50, WHICH IS ALREADY HALF OF THE FEDERAL STANDARD. SO BUT THE HARD PART IS THAT THEY PUT IT THROUGH AS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. SO IF THE AGREEMENT COMES ACROSS THAT THE 50 MILLION IS ACCEPTABLE FOR LOAN FORGIVENESS, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE IT ASSISTS AGENCIES IN IMPLEMENTING IT. YEAH IT DOES. THANK YOU FOR THE POCKET SEVEN GUYS I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT 250,000. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR THAT TO BE MORE THAN A 250,000. IS THAT A CONSERVATIVE. FOR. FOR WHAT? FOR THE POCKET SEVEN? I WOULD I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW IT'S ON TARGET BECAUSE THERE IS ONE SALES TAX PRODUCING BUSINESS THERE, MOON NURSERIES. WE DON'T HAVE FIGURES FOR THAT. BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS HOMES COME IN AND THE RANCHOS DEVELOP, THERE'S GOING TO BE TOT GENERATION BUT NOT WHAT IT CAN BE. YOU KNOW ULTIMATELY A BUILD OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT STATES BUILD OUT. WE'D HAVE ABOUT A 
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$700,000 SURPLUS, BUT THAT'S 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO 250 IS IT'S IN THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT TWO MEASURE YOU. SO CAN WE MAKE THE 22 FIVE YEARS AGO. SO THEIR PROPERTY TAX PROJECTIONS AND VLF PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE SOME PROPERTY TAX REVENUES COMING OUT OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN 26, BUT IT SHOULD START THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE 250 IS WELL, WE'LL GET THERE AND THE WHOLE THING IS GETTING IT DONE. WE CUT THE CHECK TO LAFCO. SO THE PROTEST HEARING IS STARTING AND WE NEED TO GET THIS THE ANNEXATION FINISHED BY DECEMBER 1ST OR WE LOSE OUT ON THE COUNTY MONEY. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID EVERYTHING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          I'M GLAD WE KEPT THIS EFFORT GOING, BILL, BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. 
          NO, NO, NO, WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO LOSING IT. SO I THINK THERE IS I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE T.O.T BEING GENERATED THERE THAT WE MIGHT NOT BE SEEING. BUT I DO YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT A LOT OF RANCHERS OUT THERE ARE RENTING QUITE A BIT. AND SO I DO HOPE THAT THE TOT IS GOING TO BE GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATING. BUT THEY DO RENT OUT QUITE A BIT OUT THERE, WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO US IF WE'RE NOT CALCULATING IT, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE ARE, BUT THEY DO RENT OUT QUITE A BIT OUT THERE. THE PROPOSAL HAD AN ESTIMATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RESEARCH THEY DID, BUT ONE THING I WOULD NOTICE ABOUT THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND AND THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REDUCTIONS OR ADDITIONS OF STAFF, BUT WE DO HAVE STAFF THAT WERE UNFUNDED OR LEAVING VACANT, NOT GETTING RID OF THE FTE OVERALL, BUT NOT FUNDING. 
          THIS FISCAL YEAR IN THE WATER FUND LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A RECLASSIFICATION OF CUSTALOW FROM THE MANAGER TO THE DIRECTOR. THAT WAS NOT IN THE RESOLUTION. SO WE'VE PUT IT IN THE RESOLUTION THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S NO REAL FISCAL IMPACT THIS YEAR FROM THAT CHANGE OTHER THAN PUTTING IT FORWARD. AND THE STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE BY NEW GEN RIGHT NOW RECOMMENDED, I BELIEVE IT WAS NEW GEN RECOMMENDED ONE FTE AS A WATER SERVICE WORKER THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE INCLUDED THAT AND AS A NEW FTE IN THE BUDGET FOR WATER AT THIS TIME. AND THEN IN TOTAL, HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE NOT REFILLING, YOU KNOW, BILLS? I'M NOT SURE. I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT EIGHT. SO IT'S EIGHT. AND THEN DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TWO FIRE MARSHALS? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES. THAT'S A CONTRACT WE CONTRACT. BUT STILL IT'S TEN BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THEY HELP OUT QUITE A BIT WITH THE PERMITS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OUT THERE IS THAT THEY DO HELP QUITE A BIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH FOR US TO REALLY SEE THE TRUE BENEFIT TO IT. SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT IS A BIT UNFAIR TO THEM. AND WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, I, YOU KNOW, BILL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAN TO DO YOU HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH CAL FIRE. THERE'S A QUARTERLY MEETING. WE HAVE A QUARTERLY MEETING WITH EVERYBODY ON A MICROSOFT TEAMS CALL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE MARSHALS ARE PROBABLY GETTING WIND OF IT THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I DO HOPE THAT WE, WE DISCUSS IT WITH THEM DIRECTLY AND THAT WE HAVE THAT RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION WITH THEM BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT DOES PAIN ME THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE. WE HAVE TO GIVE I BELIEVE IT'S 120 DAY NOTICE. SO. OKAY. YEAH. AND THE WAY I SEE IT IS BEFORE THEY CAN REALLY START COLLECTING FEES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A FEE STUDY DONE. AND SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A FIRE FEE STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER HAVE. AND SO THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE THERE BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN START COLLECTING FEES. I THINK DURING THIS 120 DAY PERIOD, I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THEM TO TAKE A FEE STUDY FOR A NEIGHBOR LIKE INDIO, BRING IT OVER, AND THEN START DOING DEMOGRAPHIC ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON THE DIFFERENCES OF THE POPULATION AND DEMOGRAPHICS OF INDIO TO COACHELLA, TO COME UP WITH A FEE STRUCTURE AND THEN TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN HAVE THEM WORKING ON THAT DURING THE INTERIM. THEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT TAKES TIME. WE HAVE TO SET UP ALL THESE FEES IN THE SYSTEM, CREATE WAYS TO COLLECT THE FEES. SO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE BRING THE BUDGET, IF WE DECIDE TO FUND THOSE POSITIONS AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FROM DAY ONE WITH A FEE STRUCTURE IN PLACE WITH THE FEES AND THE SYSTEM, AND THEY CAN JUST START DOING INSPECTIONS. I'M GOING TO ASK IN THAT PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SIT DOWN WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS WELL AND PREPARE THEM FOR THE IMPACT OF WHAT THESE INSPECTIONS WILL 
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MEAN. AND THEN I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY OUT OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT DO WE HAVE 400 BUSINESSES. WE'RE CAESAR'S CAESAR'S NOT HERE, YOU KNOW, 4 OR 500. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS HERE THAT ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THEIR FEES, AND I'M NOT ONE OF THEM. BUT I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHO'S INVOLVED, BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE AT THE TABLE. I AGREE, I BELIEVE IN MY LAST PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. THERE WAS A LOT OF BUSINESS COMMENT WHEN IT OCCURRED. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT COSTS. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CODE UP TO THE POINT WHERE YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. SO UPDATES TO THE CODE AFTER YOUR PURCHASE DATE YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR UNTIL YOU SELL. THEN THE NEW OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE AT THAT POINT. BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHETHER COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY DECIDE IF THEY WANT THE RECURRING ANNUAL OR SEMI, YOU KNOW, BIENNIAL TYPE INSPECTIONS OR IF IT'S JUST A NEW INSPECTIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN IT COMES TO DECIDING HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THAT IS CORRECT. AS FAR AS THE FEE STUDY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN DONE. WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY DIRECTION ON IT. SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 120 DAYS. BUT I. I DO THEN WITHIN I'M PRETTY SURE MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING OR IF NOT TOMORROW. I KNOW YOU HAVE A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, BUT BUT NEXT WEEK IS REALLY TALK TO THE FIRE MARSHALS AND GIVE THEM THAT 120 DAY NOTICE THE GOAL RIGHT. THAT THIS THAT THIS PAYS FOR ITSELF. SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DECIDE, WE NEED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A NEW COST TO THE GENERAL FUND. THIS IS. AND SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DECIDE IN THE FUTURE, IF IT'S ONE YEAR OR JUST THAT INSPECTION, LIKE, I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD NEW LIABILITY TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE HAVE LIABILITIES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL, INCLUDING INCLUDING INCREASES IN THEIR OWN CONTRACTS THAT WOULD ADD FIRE, COME UP WITH A NEW COST BILL IN TERMS OF JUST THAT'S COMING UP ON A SLIDE HERE IN A MINUTE. YEAH. IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO ADD NEW NET, YOU KNOW GENERAL FUND COSTS. SO WE NEED TO BE THOROUGH. THINGS NEED TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT. I GUESS THE MESSAGE IS THE GENERAL FUND CAN'T AFFORD TO SUBSIDIZE. IT'S REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO LOOKING AT WHAT WHAT THE COUNTY FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT. I DID A SIMILAR EXERCISE. WE TRIED TO BE CONSERVATIVE ON THE REVENUE SIDE, ESTIMATING ABOUT A $400,000 INCREASE IN REVENUES. 
          ON THE EXPENDITURE EXPENSE SIDE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A REDUCTION IN EXPENDITURES OR EXPENSES. SORRY, IT'S FULL ACCRUAL OF ABOUT 700,000 650,000. THERE ARE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES PLANNED OF ALMOST 2.5 MILLION. THEY'RE DEPRECIATION NON-CASH IS ABOUT 1.5 MILLION. THE. THE NET POSITION AT THE BEGINNING OF 2425 AUDITED WAS 4 MILLION. THE PROJECTION AT THE END OF THIS LAST YEAR IS 2.5 MILLION FOR UNRESTRICTED. AND WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO GO DOWN TO 1.5 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED, WITH A DEFICIT OF $150,000 FOR THE YEAR IN OPERATING EXPENSES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CASH POSITION, THE SANITARY DISTRICT HAS ABOUT 8 MILLION IN CASH THAT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS WOULD BE PAID OUT OF. SO, AGAIN, IT WOULD REDUCE THAT CASH POSITION IF ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN A FULL ACCRUAL FUND, TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHILE IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT YOUR UNRESTRICTED NET POSITION, IT'S IMPACTING CASH. IT'S GOING TO BE CAPITALIZED INTO AN ASSET, WHICH BECOMES NET INVESTMENT IN CAPITAL ASSETS IN YOUR NET POSITION. SO IT DOESN'T HURT YOU, BUT YOU HAVE TO WATCH YOUR CASH. THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THESE SLIDES ON THE CASH POSITIONS. THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT. WE WERE PROJECTED TO BREAK EVEN AT THE END OF 2024. 
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AND WE HAD A BEGINNING FUND, OR WE WERE PROJECTED TO COME IN AT 355,145, NET BEGINNING FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF AUDIT 24. WE CAME IN AT 16,000. SO THERE WAS A DEFICIT PROJECTED IN 2425. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY IN LINE WITH THAT, BUT THAT WOULD PUT THE PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE FOR THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR AT -355,000. SO WE BUDGETED BREAK EVEN FOR THIS COMING YEAR BECAUSE. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IF WE IMPLEMENTED ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS, WE MIGHT HAVE ENOUGH TO BREAK EVEN THE FIRE DISTRICT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER WENT UP ABOUT 900,000. THE CONTRACT ITSELF IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE TWO THIRDS OF $1 MILLION, OR 13.29%. THE GENERAL FUND PAYS ALL COSTS IN EXCESS OF DISTRICT REVENUES, AND THE PROJECTED COST IS 4.19 MILLION. AND THAT INCREASE IS ALMOST 30%. 
          THE CONTRACT. THIS CONTRACT ARE REVISED. ESTIMATES DO NOT INCLUDE THE FIRE INSPECTORS IN IT. AND THEN DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE COST OF LIVING INCREASES IS GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR. I'M HOPING TO HEAR THAT TOMORROW. YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW MORE TOMORROW. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THREAT COMING DOWN. NO NO NO NO THAT'S THAT'S FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. BUT OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WHICH IS 27, 26, 27, 26, 27. YEAH. YEAH. WHICH WE'RE 11, 11 MONTHS FROM NOW. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. THEY'RE WE'RE IN THEIR CRYSTAL BALL HERE. LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO WE SEE WHAT'S COMING. YOU KNOW I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT. BUT IT'S ALL GOOD OKAY GOOD. WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION I FEEL REGARDING THIS BUDGET I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU AS STAFF HAVE TAKEN US. I APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES, YOU KNOW, WITH P7, WITH, YOU KNOW. 
          FREEZING POSITIONS, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF, OF SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES THAT ARE COMING. AND I WROTE DOWN IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD, LIKE, I SEE THREATS HERE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SLOWING ECONOMY, HIGH INTEREST RATES. RIGHT? WE HAVE A LACK OF ENERGY SO THAT WE CAN'T GROW OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. LIKE PREVIOUS, WE HAVE COMPETITION IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR TRIBAL PARTNERS ARE STARTING TO CREATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THERE'S INCREASES IN PUBLIC SAFETY COSTS THAT WE KNOW THEY HAPPEN. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET OR WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, PUBLIC SAFETY COST IS COMING. SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GENERATE MORE MONEY? LAST YEAR WE WENT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE T.O.T AND I'M GLAD THAT WE DID THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS THINKING AHEAD AND KNOWING THAT COSTS WERE INCREASING AND WE NEEDED TO GET MORE REVENUE. WE DID MEASURE YOU. WE'VE DONE A I'M SORRY, WE'VE DONE A UTILITY USER TAX. LIKE WE CAN'T GO TO OUR RESIDENTS ANYMORE. SO IT'S UP TO US TO BALANCE THE THINGS AND LOOK AHEAD. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THIS BUDGET, I WANT TO I WANT TO BREAK THE RESOLUTIONS OFF, AND I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION FD 20 501, WHICH IS APPROVING THE COACHELLA FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE SD 20 503, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE FOR THE COACHELLA SANITARY DISTRICT, AS AMENDED, AS AMENDED. AND THEN I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION WA2 THOUSAND AND 502 ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE FOR THE COACHELLA WATER AUTHORITY. AND I WANT TO TAKE THAT AS A MOTION, BECAUSE IF WE TAKE IT IN FULL, AS IT'S RECOMMENDED, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THIS DEFICIT. AND I ACTUALLY BELIEVE AND I WANT TO I BELIEVE OUR EMPLOYEES SHOULD GET THIS BENEFIT OF THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE BECAUSE IT BRINGS DOWN OUR LIABILITY, BUYS US, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION, YOU KNOW, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN PROJECT AND JUST IT'S 
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BETTER. IT'S BETTER FINANCING AND BETTER BUDGETING. AND FRANKLY, OUR EMPLOYEES DESERVE IT. I BELIEVE IN THEM. JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THIS ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS, NOT FORCE ANY OF THAT. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT. SO I WANT TO BREAK THIS UP, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A SECOND TO ON THIS MOTION. AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE BUDGET SEPARATELY, BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF AN EFFORT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THINGS WORSE NEXT YEAR. BEFORE YOU ASK FOR THE SECOND, IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICK, AGAIN, THE UTILITY DIRECTOR MANAGER TO DIRECTOR CHANGE WAS IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, AND THE STUDY RECOMMENDED ONE FULL TIME TREATMENT PLANT OPERATOR, ONE IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT. SO THOSE WERE THE ONLY CHANGES THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND QUICKLY TO LINCOLN FOR I KNOW THE MAYOR MENTIONED ABOUT THE COLA FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE COLA. ALSO FOR OUR OWN EMPLOYEES OVER TIME AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. THE COLA IS BUILT IN. THE 4% IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR. WHAT IS NOT IN THERE IS THERE? YOU WERE A LITTLE LATE TO THE MEETING. I HAD TO PULL NUMBER NINE BECAUSE WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE SALARY SCHEDULE. WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE 3% FOR. I THINK THERE WAS FOUR POSITIONS. 
          IT WAS MY FAULT I MISSED IT. SO WE NEED TO BRING THAT BACK IN SEPTEMBER. BUT THERE WILL BE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT JUST FOR SANITARY AND WATER FOR THOSE. IT WON'T IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THEN BUT GOING FORWARD, WELL, WHERE ARE WE AT IN OUR IN OUR REUNION AGREEMENT WITH OUR WE HAVE ONE MORE YEAR LEFT. IT'S 3% FOR JULY 1ST, 2026. THAT'S THE FINAL YEAR OF OUR CONTRACT. 
          AND THEN WE SHOULD BE BACK IN NEGOTIATIONS IN JANUARY OF 27, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING, IS THAT I KNOW THE COLA WAS TALKED ABOUT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WE STILL ALSO THEN NEED TO CONSIDER THE COLA FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR OWN UNIONS AS WELL, WHICH INCREASES COSTS. SO INCREASE THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT. THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A SECOND. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA SO IT'S I YEAH I'M A BIT CONFUSED BY TWO, THREE AND EIGHT. SO IT'S APPROVING THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS WITH THE FIRE AUTHORITY AND THEN THE ACTUAL BUDGET THAT WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. THE CITY THE CITY BUDGET. OKAY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. HI. MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO. YES. MAYOR HERNANDEZ. YES. AND THEN THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET ME TO MOVE ON THIS ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE FOR THE CITY OF COACHELLA, FISCAL YEAR 2025, 2026 IS IF WE RECONSIDER THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET AHEAD OF THIS STRUCTURAL DEFICIT THAT WE SEE COMING. AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, SO I'M OKAY WITH IT. VOTING NO ON THIS JUST BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT SO THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING LINCOLN. IS THAT SO? THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES, WHAT WAS BEING APPROVED TODAY WAS THE DISCLOSURES OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. SO THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES DON'T COME BACK UNTIL SEPTEMBER. CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT. SO THEN WE'RE NOT. WELL, I GUESS. 
          IS THAT THEN INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET CONSIDERING THAT. SO THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE BUDGET IS, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING, BUT THE WAY THE BUDGET IS RIGHT NOW, MAYOR, IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES BECAUSE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES GET APPROVED. IT'S A TWO PART. SO THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES, BUT RATHER IT'S AN APPROVAL OF THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE. SO THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE ON HERE. AND THEN IT COMES BACK AS A SECOND PART. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS ACTUALLY THE APPROVAL OF THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. AND SO MY POINT TO THAT IS THAT THE BUDGET CANNOT BE APPROVED WITH THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE. NO, YOU GOT TO OFFER IT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE A 250. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GO FROM 72 TO 340. BILL IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO GO TO? KIND OF GIVE US ROOM, ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE IT, YOU ACTUALLY CAN BE CLOSE TO BREAKING EVEN BECAUSE THAT 355,000 FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DEFICIT THAT WE NEED TO COVER. SO YOU WITH THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE, YOU KIND OF BREAK EVEN. SO THEN WE WOULD BE AT A DEFICIT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE TRANSFER THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THE FIRE DISTRICT. YES. 
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SO THEN I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE A BUDGET WITH THE DEFICIT. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IN THE PRESENTATION IT WAS WE WERE NET 72, NET 72. BUT THAT WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT IN 24 WAS EXPECTED TO COME IN WITH A NET POSITION OR A FUND BALANCE OF 300 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS. IT CAME IN AT 16,000. WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR AUDIT FOR 2425 YET. SO WE POSTED BREAK EVEN FOR THE PROJECTION IN 2526, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE ENDING. FISCAL 2425 YET. 
          OKAY. SO THEN TO GO INTO LIQUIDITY ALREADY IN MY OPINION, IS NOT A GOOD THING. LET'S GET AHEAD OF IT. THAT'S MY POSITION. THE BUDGET IS WITHOUT THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. CORRECT. BUT WE'RE OFFERING IT SO THAT WE CAN GET AHEAD OF IT AND FACTOR THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, OUR ACTUARIALS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE OFFERING IT SO THAT WE CAN GET AHEAD. THE BUDGET DOESN'T INCLUDE THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. SO WE'RE APPROVING THE BUDGET THE WAY IT IS THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED. AND SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR, IS THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE INCLUDED, BUT IT CAN'T BE INCLUDED BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE APPROVED UNTIL SEPTEMBER. WHAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'RE OFFERING IT? LINCOLN. WELL, IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE IT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU AGREED TO DO IT, IT WOULD BE AN ADJUSTMENT AT MIDYEAR BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED BEFORE WE REALIZE THE SAVINGS AND KNOW WHAT THOSE SAVINGS ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO BE BASED ON RETIREMENT DATES CHOSEN BY EMPLOYEES, DETERMINING IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACED. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A SAVINGS FOR LIKE THREE MONTHS DURING EMPLOYEE REPLACEMENT, IF THAT'S DONE. IF IT'S UNFUNDED, IT'S A SAVINGS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, AS WELL AS CONTINUING INTO FUTURE YEARS, WE WON'T KNOW THE FULL DOLLAR AMOUNT CALCULATION UNTIL CLOSER TO MID-YEAR, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW IF IT WERE TO BE PASSED, IT WOULD ALLOW A CUSHION THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE FIRE DISTRICT CLOSES OUT. FISCAL 2425 IF IT COMES IN AT PROJECTION, IT'S LOOKING AT A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE OF 350,000. THAT AT SOME POINT THE GENERAL FUND IS GOING TO HAVE TO COVER. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GO INTO RESERVES AND HOW LONG CAN WE SUSTAIN THAT STRUCTURALLY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE THREATS? AND I GET MY POINT RIGHT NOW IS ADDRESS THEM EARLY, YOU KNOW, AND LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GROW OUR ECONOMY IN SOME WAY, GAIN NEW REVENUES. BUT I DON'T LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE RUNNING. WE'RE GOING TO OUR PIGGY BANK BECAUSE WE KNOW NEXT YEAR YOU CAN ASSUME PROBABLY ANOTHER 2 MILLION IN COST. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. SO START, START LIKE START THE PROCESS OF NOT SPENDING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE A HOME BUDGET. I'M NOT SURE WHY IT IS THAT WE'RE HESITANT TO OFFER THAT IF OUR EMPLOYEES THERE'S SOME OF THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT. THAT STARTED ALREADY. WHY PROLONG WHY PROLONG THIS? THERE'S MINIMAL PAIN HERE. THERE'S MINIMAL PAIN. WHEREAS IF WE PROLONG IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A HARDER CONVERSATION BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY BE ON. IT MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT AT LEAST LET'S START ADDRESSING IT. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT'S HOW I THINK WITH THE POLICE CONTRACT, THE FIRE CONTRACT AND THE COLAS NEXT YEAR, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING CLOSER TO 2.5 TO 3 MILLION IN GROWTH OF COSTS, JUST IN PERSONNEL AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THERE YOU GO. AND YOU. AND YOU THOUGHT I WAS CONSERVATIVE? SORRY, THAT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT IT JUST I FEEL LIKE LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD. WE WERE FORTUNATE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD ADOPTED A BUDGET IN MAY, OUR ORGANIZATION WOULD LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TODAY. AND WE HAD SOME TIME SO THAT WE COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I FROZE POSITIONS AND WE WERE ABLE TO BALANCE. BUT LIKE I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING WITH ONE TIME FIXES, LINCOLN JUST SAID, I SAID 2 MILLION. HE SAID TWO AND A HALF TO THREE. I DON'T HAVE ONE TIME FIXES THAT I CAN DEPEND ON NOW IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY RETIRE OR IF SOMEBODY DECIDES, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE, EVERY TIME A POSITION BECOMES OPEN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY FREEZING IT. ABSOLUTELY. SEE IF WE NEED IT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO START LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE NEED TO START BUILDING TOWARDS BALANCING THE BUDGET. BUT THEN HOW HOW MUCH CAN WE HOW MANY POSITIONS CAN WE AFFORD TO FREEZE AS WELL? YOU 
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KNOW, WITH IT NOT IMPACTING THE DEPARTMENTS AND THEN IMPACTING SERVICES? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT HERE, YOU KNOW, THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE NEEDED. AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TO GIVE ME A SECOND. BUT SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A 2.5, MAYBE A $3 MILLION GROWTH, DEBT GROWTH OR EXPENDITURES, IS THAT THEN THAT'S THEN MORE THAN LIKELY THE JOBS THAT WE HAVE FROZEN MAYBE CANNOT BE. I MEAN, WE PROBABLY STILL CAN'T FILL THEM THEN POSSIBLY. WE'LL CERTAINLY NOT BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO DEEPER BECAUSE. IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY OR OUR PERSONNEL AND OUR BENEFITS. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE SPEND MONEY, THAT'S WHERE WE SPEND MONEY. I CAN ONLY CUT SO MUCH COMMUNICATIONS OR SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL OR WHEN EVEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EVENTS, IT'S $1 MILLION. THAT'S ONLY 2.5% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET. IT'S NOT NOTHING. SO, BILL, WHEN WE BROUGHT YOU IN, WAS IT FEBRUARY, THE END OF JANUARY? AND YOU SAID, HEY, WE'RE IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS, WE'RE IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, IT'S FINANCES. I KNEW IT WAS A FINANCES, I KNEW IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME IN AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS YOU ADDRESSED THAT, HEY, WE'RE IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS. AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF FOLKS REALLY BELIEVED IT, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. AND SO I DON'T THINK A LOT OF FOLKS BELIEVED IT. I THINK THEY FELT THAT IT WAS INTENTIONAL, THAT IT WAS DELIBERATE. AND I KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE FINANCES, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY WHEN I'VE KNOWN YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIMISTIC THAN USUALLY YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. BUT THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND WE'RE FACING IT NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR JUST SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AN EXPENDITURES, A $2.5 MILLION INCREASE IN THAT. I JUST DID A BACK OF THE NAPKIN. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO BILL'S ESTIMATE OF 2 MILLION. 2 MILLION. SO WE'RE AT 2.2 MILLION. AND THEN KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE WE'VE FROZEN EIGHT POSITIONS, EIGHT POSITIONS. AND WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HEY SOMEONE THEN, YOU KNOW, LEAVES. RIGHT. THEN WE'RE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO FREEZE THAT POSITION TOO AND NOT FILL IT. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. SO YOU KNOW, THIS THIS ISSUE NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. IT REALLY DID. AND THIS IS WHERE WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE OF IT. AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE AT IT NEXT YEAR AS WELL. IS THIS WHAT IT IS? BUT SO IF YOU VALUE THEM, TAKE THEIR OPINION, THEIR TIMELINESS, GET AHEAD OF IT. AND HERE'S THE THING. AND THIS IS THE WAY I'M THINKING, I VALUE STAFF AND I WANT THEM TO WORK WITH US. IF PEOPLE KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO FACE AUSTERITY AGAIN. STRUCTURALLY, A GOLDEN HANDSHAKE ALLOWS FOR FIVE. YOU'RE PROJECTING FOUR. 
          MAYBE OTHERS ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M IN TWO. AND I'M ASKING THE EMPLOYEES TO WORK WITH US, BUT IT BUYS THEM YEARS AND WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND HOPEFULLY THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT GOES DOWN. BUT IT'S HOW WE VALUE OUR EMPLOYEES. WE DON'T OFFER IT TO THEM. I GUARANTEE YOU NO ONE'S GOING TO TAKE IT OR NO ONE'S GOING TO JUST RETIRE. I MEAN, WHAT'S OUR AVERAGE RETIREMENT RIGHT NOW? ONE PER YEAR. BILL. THERE'S NOT MANY. THERE'S NOT MANY. AND SO WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE AN INCENTIVE SAYING WORK WITH US. TAKE TWO YEARS YOU'LL YOU'LL YOU CAN IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE, YOU'LL RETIRE. BECAUSE. AND THE OTHER THING KIND OF A WARNING TO EMPLOYEES. YOU I MEAN IF IT WAS ME, I'D START LOOKING. WE WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU MAKE A CHOICE NOW THAN NOT HAVE A CHOICE LATER. THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU OFFER IT. BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I'M GOING TO ASK, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S I'M IN A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A POINT OF ORDER, FRANKIE. RECONSIDER THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE ITEM NUMBER. 13. AND I'LL MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER 13 IF THERE'S. AND HOPEFULLY I CAN GET A SECOND. AND IF THERE IS NO SECOND, THEN I'M PREPARED TO VOTE NO ON RESOLUTION 20 2544. 
          SO AS I'M IN A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER 13, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
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THERE'S A SECOND. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA. SO THAT WAS 250 A YEAR. FOR FIVE YEARS. THAT'S. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT SHOULD BE ONGOING. ONGOING. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE STRUCTURE THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, I HEAR EVERYONE'S CONCERNS AND LISTEN OF WHAT IS GOING ON. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THE COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE. RIGHT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THIS. LOOMING THING COMING 11 MONTHS FROM NOW. RIGHT. BUT CAN IT BE BETTER? AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO 11 MONTHS FROM NOW YOU DON'T HAVE INSTEAD OF 11 EMPLOYEES HAVING ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO RETIRE WITH THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE, YOU DON'T, THEN YOU HAVE 11 PEOPLE WHO EITHER GET, YOU KNOW, LAID OFF AND THEY DON'T. YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET LAID OFF. YOU DON'T GET TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE RETIREMENT. IT'S KIND OF IT JUST HAPPENS THERE, RIGHT? IT'S THE WHOLE PROCESS. RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          IS THAT WELL, IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT, THEY COULD RETIRE. IF THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE SIX MONTHS TO FIND ANOTHER RECIPROCAL AGENCY TO CONTINUE THEIR PENSION. OTHERWISE IT WOULD END THEIR SERVICE. IT COULD BE PICKED UP LATER. BUT IF THEY'RE CLASSIC, THEY WOULD BECOME A PEPRA EMPLOYEE. SO THEIR PENSION WOULD BE LESS. THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE OPTION WOULD BASICALLY INCREASE THEIR FIRST YEAR RETIREMENT BY ABOUT 6% OVER. IF THEY WERE TO RETIRE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S TWO PORTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S THE COST AND THE SAVINGS PORTION TO THE CITY. SO WHAT'S THE COST TO THE CITY? SINCE THE COST TO THE CITY? I WENT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT. SO ACCORDING TO THE ACTUARY, IF ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES CHOSE THE OPTION AND THE CITY DIDN'T REPLACE ANY OF THEM, THE ACTUARIAL COST WOULD BE 392,698, WHICH, SPLIT OVER FIVE YEARS, IS JUST UNDER 80,000 A YEAR. BUT OUR OUR FIRST YEAR SAVINGS WOULD BE 503,341 TO FOR THE TIME IT TAKES TO REPLACE THOSE INDIVIDUALS. SO IT WOULD FULLY PAY FOR THE TOTAL FIVE YEAR COST, AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN A SAVINGS OF $110,644. 
          THE OTHER ASSUMPTION THAT THE ACTUARY MAKES IS THAT EVERYONE CHOOSES IT, AND THE CITY FUNDS EVERY SINGLE POSITION. AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THE ACTUARIAL COST IS 1,116,000 OVER THE LIFE OF COST TO THE CITY. IT WOULD BE SPREAD OVER FIVE YEARS. SO IT'S 308,925 A YEAR. THE FIRST YEAR SAVINGS OR THE FIRST YEAR SAVINGS WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION, WHICH LEAVES A SAVINGS OVER THE ACTUARIAL COST IN YEAR ONE OF ALMOST 400,000. SO ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE A MIX OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REPLACED AND THAT ARE UNFUNDED, AND THAT SOME WILL ACCEPT AND SOME WILL NOT, THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS. THE 110,000 TO 400,000 FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IN THE YEAR, YEAR ONE. EVEN THOUGH THE SAVINGS WILL BE MORE. BECAUSE ONLY 80,000 IF WE REPLACE EVERYONE AND 308 PER YEAR IF WE UNFUND THE POSITIONS. SO WE'LL HAVE A LARGE FIRST YEAR IMPACT, AND THEN IT'LL CARRY THROUGH SLOWLY INTO THE NEXT YEARS. BUT WE SHOULD SEE A RECURRING BECAUSE WE HAVE PLANNED TO UNFUNDED POSITIONS. IF THE OPTIONS ARE EXERCISED. LINCOLN, DO WE START SEEING SOME OF THOSE INCREASES IN COST BECAUSE WE PAY IT OUT FOR THE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? RIGHT. SO WE FILLED THE POSITION AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING OBVIOUSLY THE EMPLOYEE THAT FILLED THAT POSITION. BUT THEN STILL THEN YOU KNOW IN THE LONG TERM, IS IT STILL THE SAME SAVINGS, CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE NOW STILL PAYING, YOU KNOW, OUT FOR THOSE WHO DECIDED TO TAKE IT? YES. I'M SAYING THAT IN THE VERY FIRST YEAR WE WILL RECOVER THE FULL FIVE YEAR COST. RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD BE FISCAL YEAR 2627, NOT THIS FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. PART OF IT WOULD BE THIS PORTION THIS YEAR AND THEN A PORTION INTO THE NEXT, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE THE PROBLEM. HOW MANY HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY? 9696. WELL, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE NOW WITH EIGHT POSITIONS OUT? WE HAVE 88, 88. SO WE HAVE 
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88 POSITIONS, RIGHT? 96 TO 88. ASSUMING THAT EVERYONE TOOK THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE, RIGHT? 16. 
          THAT'S 1616. SO WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THAT'S ASSUMING RIGHT. BECAUSE WE GOT TO YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE SAY TEN YOU KNOW, SO IT'S TEN PLUS EIGHT. WE'RE NOW DOWN 18 POSITIONS. SO FROM 96 WE'RE GOING DOWN TO 78 POSITIONS. WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. AND SO HOW DOES YOU KNOW TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE DIRECTORS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO IT? TWO YEARS AGO, BILL. WE MANAGED WE DID A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK. WE CONTRACTED. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE. IT'S LIKE WE'RE SHRINKING THE ORGANIZATION. AND IN TWO YEARS AGO THE CITY FLOURISHED. IT DID WELL. ET CETERA. SO. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE DO NOTHING. I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT SO THAT NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR BUDGET AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AT THE IMPACT THAT AT LEAST WE'RE FINDING A CUSHION AHEAD OF TIME, THAT WE'RE NOT IN THAT PREDICAMENT. WE CAN GET 4 OR 5 EMPLOYEES TO TAKE IT. THAT 2 MILLION COMES DOWN TO 1 MILLION. MAYBE AT THAT POINT, WE GO 500,000 INTO OUR RESERVES. WE CUT DOWN ON EXPENSES AND WE GO FORWARD. AND YOU, AS OPPOSED TO $2 MILLION INTO OUR RESERVE, YOU'RE LOSING LIQUIDITY. YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN THIS FOR 2 OR 3 YEARS. AND ALL OF US ARE LOOKING LIKE IDIOTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF TWO FINANCIAL SLASH CITY MANAGERS, FINANCE GUYS THAT ARE ALL SAYING THIS IS COMING, DO THIS MOVE. BUT SOMEHOW WE KNOW BETTER. I'M NOT THAT PERSON. YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSE WAS, HEY, WE DID THIS TWO YEARS AGO. WE'RE NOT TWO YEARS AGO. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORKLOAD, A LOT FROM ENERGY TO CHROMIUM SIX. WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANTS, AND A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. AND SO WE'RE NOT IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT THAT WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON NOW. SO THAT'S MY POINT. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH. STILL. I THINK THERE'S THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. AND THIS IS TO RECONSIDER THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE. COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR FIGUEROA. SO IT COMES BACK IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE FULL LIST OF PEOPLE, RIGHT, OF ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT ACCEPT HIM. 
          YEAH. THIS THIS IS NOT THE APPROVAL OF THE ACTUAL CORRECT PROGRAM. IT'S THE APPROVAL FOR US TO OFFER IT. OFFER IT. AND THEN SO LIKE THE LIST, YOU KNOW, SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE LIST FROM CALPERS, AND THEN YOU REACH OUT OR YOU HAVE TO GO TO CALPERS. FIRST YOU NEED THIS FIRST WE HAVE THE LIST. OH YOU HAVE THE LIST OKAY. AND THEN THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE TAKING IT TILL DECEMBER. IT ACTUALLY I THINK IT OPENS LIKE A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER IT'S APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE UP UNTIL DECEMBER 30TH TO TAKE IT. I DON'T THINK THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO LET US KNOW IF THEY'RE TAKING OR NOT UNTIL DECEMBER 30TH. TECHNICALLY, YEAH. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S VERY I MEAN, I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES AS WELL, THINKING FROM A, YOU KNOW, A NUMBERS GUY. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING, THINKING FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COME UP DIFFERENTLY. BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO FACE AUSTERE TIMES. WE'RE STILL FACING IT. AND THIS IDEA THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN SERVICES, WE'D BE LYING TO THE PUBLIC THAT SERVICE REDUCTION IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR. SO IT'S SERVICE REDUCTION IS GOING TO OCCUR. WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT. AND THAT'S THE BUDGET. THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE SHRINKING THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THERE ARE CHALLENGES. AND LET'S NOT PUT LIPSTICK ON THE PIG RIGHT NOW SAYING THAT, OH WE'RE FINE. NO, WE'RE GOING TO GET AHEAD OF IT. 
          I JUST RATHER ROLL THAT WAY. IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT IF YOU GET AHEAD OF IT, YOU'RE HONEST WITH THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THE SHORTFALLS. YES, THEY SHOULD EXPECT, YOU 
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KNOW, SERVICE REDUCTION. BUT WHEN YOU MESSAGE THAT WAY, PEOPLE GET IT. IT'S JUST LIKE THEIR BUDGET. BUT WHEN WE TRY TO PUT, YOU KNOW, MAKEUP ON THE PIG AND LIPSTICK ON THE PIG, YOU'RE HIDING AND I DON'T WANT TO HIDE IT IS WHAT IT IS. LET'S WORK WITH OUR EMPLOYEES. AND THERE'S ALSO EXPECTED TO BE ADDITIONAL FTES IN WATER AND SANITARY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BASED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE NECESSARY. SO THOSE ARE NOT AREAS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO UNFUND NECESSARILY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER MEAD. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO YES, I'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. MAYOR HERNANDEZ. YES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20 2544, ADOPTING THE ANNUAL BUDGET. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAD A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          DOCTOR FIGUEROA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WRITTEN? AYE. MAYOR BRETON DELGADO. YES. MAYOR. 
          HERNANDEZ. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE ARE NO REPORTS AND 
          [Reports and Requests]
REQUESTS. I'LL START TO MY RIGHT. YOU JUST HAVE MY ANIMAL CAMPUS MEETING TOMORROW AT THE CAC AT 3000 PALMS COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I DID GO TO THE VISIT OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE COACHELLA CHAMBER. THEY HAVE THEIR MIXTURE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAVING MONTHLY MIXERS, HOPEFULLY NOT DURING COUNCIL MEETING NIGHTS. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER BEEKMAN. LAST WEEK, THE MAYOR AND I HAD A MEETING, OR WE DID OUR SENIOR CITIZEN SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AT THE SENIOR CENTER. IT WAS GREAT. WE WERE ABLE TO TALK TO OUR COORDINATOR THERE AND THEN ALSO A FEW OF OUR SENIORS. THEY CAME WITH A LIST, WHICH WAS REALLY GREAT. WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THINGS. SO JUST WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR, YOU KNOW, HIS EXPERTISE WHEN IT COMES TO A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY. AND SO IT'S ALWAYS REALLY GOOD TO KIND OF LEARN AND HEAR ALL OF THESE THINGS. BUT I'M AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO LOTERIA. YEAH. YEAH. THEY LIKE THEIR LOTERIA. AND A COUPLE OF THEM OFFERED TO HELP ME HOW TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY POOL. SO CATCH ME AT THE SENIOR CENTER SOMETIME THIS MONTH. I'M GOING TO GO AND LEARN POOL WITH THE SENIORS. I'VE BEEN PLAYING LOTERIA FOR 38 YEARS. YEAH, THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. STAFF, THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT, BUT RATHER IS, YOU KNOW, TO OUR TEAM. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE DID A SPECIAL MEETING IN AUGUST AND WE USUALLY JUST GO DARK. AND SO I DO THINK YOU'RE A GREAT DEAL FOR, FOR COMING IN HERE AND DOING THE SPECIAL MEETING WITH US. I DO I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU I REALLY DO TO PROBABLY ADEPT IN A LEVEL THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND. I KNOW I'M NOT SOMEONE WHO'S VERY, YOU KNOW, VOCAL WHEN IT COMES TO THESE THINGS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN YOU PROBABLY KNOW. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, AND THAT WORK IS JUST GOING TO KEEP INCREASING. IT'S NOT GOING TO DECREASE. IT'S GOING TO KEEP INCREASING. WE REALLY WORK THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US. AND SO WITH THAT, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILIES, WITH YOUR KIDDOS, WITH YOUR FRIENDS. I HOPE YOU HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, NICE VACATIONS PLANNED AND I WILL SEE YOU GUYS IN SEPTEMBER. I BROUGHT IT UP TO BILL AND I CAN'T REMEMBER. DID WE EVER VOTE AS A COUNCIL ON A POLICY FOR SUSPENSIONS OF SENIORS FROM THE CENTER? AND IF WE DID, PLEASE REMIND ME. AND IF WE DIDN'T, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'M NOT SOMEONE THAT BELIEVES THAT. NOT ALLOWING A SENIOR TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SENIOR CENTER FOR ONE YEAR, LIKE I THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE. IT JUST I UNDERSTAND IT IMPACTS OTHER SENIORS AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU GET GROUNDED AND YOU'RE LIKE THE WHAT'S THAT? THAT LADY, THE LADY THAT WORE RED BACK IN THE DAY, LIKE IT WAS JUST SAD. ANYWAYS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND AGAIN, STAFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. 
          HAVE A GOOD SUMMER BREAK. YOU ALL DESERVE IT. I LOVE YOU AND I'M WILLING TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS AT, SO WE'LL TALK SOON. BILL, THE TABLE IS YOURS. THANK YOU COUNCIL, JUST A 
          [02:15:02]
QUICK UPDATE. WE HAD A MEETING WITH ID LAST WEEK WITH DEVELOPERS AND IT WAS WELL RECEIVED. GOOD TURNOUT. WE HAD OUR ATTORNEY THERE. LINCOLN WAS WITH ME AS WELL. SELENA AND KENDRA, THE DEVELOPERS, WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE. WHAT WE FOUND OUT FROM I.D. IS THAT THERE'S TWO TRANSFORMER SITES ON JACKSON THAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP. THEY ALSO WANT TO DEVELOP THE COACHELLA SUB. THERE'S ONE MORE TRANSFORMER THAT CAN GO THERE. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE PRIVATE POSSIBLE SUBSTATION WITH ALEX AND DAVID SHUMAN, ALEX HAGAN AND DAVID SHUMAN. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO MEET AGAIN WITH THE DEVELOPERS. IT WOULD BE BEST TO TRY TO GET THEM TO COME INTO AN ARRANGEMENT AMONGST THEMSELVES FOR REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT. BUT IF THEY CAN'T THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK OUR QUICKEST PATH FORWARD IS TO FORM OUR OWN JPA WITH ID. AND LIKE LINCOLN HAD SAID, WE'RE WE'RE MEETING WITH OUR FISCAL ADVISOR. SO WE'LL BE TALKING WITH URBAN FUTURES TO LOOK AT FINANCING OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN THERE AND THEN WORKING WITH ID. BUT IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. I HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR P3 DEVELOPER AND OUR ATTORNEYS AND I.D. ON THE 22ND. 
          IT'S A FRIDAY AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND SO WE SENT OVER. IT WAS INTERESTING. WE SENT OVER THIS DECK TO THEM. SCOTT, YOU KNOW, SCOTT, WHEN HE PUT STUFF TOGETHER, HE GIVES YOU A LOT. 
          AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO SEND OVER A COUPLE PIECES OF PAPER WHATEVER. AND THEY I HAD TO SEND IT IN THREE EMAILS BECAUSE THE DECKS WERE SO LARGE. 
          SO THEY SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THIS WEEK. AND THEY SENT OUT ANOTHER REQUEST FOR MEETING ON THE 22ND, BUT A LOT OF I.I.D. ATTORNEYS THERE. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT THEIR ATTENTION AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME GOOD PROGRESS. AND I'LL REPORT THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL. AND SO THANK YOU, COUNCIL, I'M SORRY THAT WE WERE SO LATE WITH THE BUDGET, BUT I WILL ADMIT THIS TIME IT WAS FAR BETTER TO BE LATE THAN TO BE ON TIME. AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. BUT THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON. SO WE WERE THOROUGH AND YOU KNOW WHAT? AND YOU KNOW WHAT? AND YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS, BUT I'LL SAY IT FOR YOU, I THINK I THINK YOUR THOROUGHNESS PRESERVED JOBS. AND THE FACT THAT YOU, WITH LINCOLN, WENT THROUGH THE NUMBERS AND THERE ISN'T ANY LAYOFFS. THAT'S THAT'S GOOD MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW. AND SO I'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT, LIKE, I'LL GIVE LINCOLN CREDIT, YOU KNOW, FOR AND THE STAFF SHOULD REALIZE THIS, LIKE, WE WERE IN A PREDICAMENT WHERE THERE WAS GOING TO BE LAYOFFS. YOU'RE PRESERVING THE JOBS. 
          YOU'RE ALSO GETTING AHEAD OF IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE LET'S IF WE CAN GET EMPLOYEES TO HELP US. AND SOME PEOPLE WILL SAVE AND GET A GOLDEN HANDSHAKE AND RETIRE, GUESS WHAT? IT PRESERVES OTHER PEOPLE'S JOBS IN THE FUTURE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS BETTER FOR PEOPLE IN LONG RUN THAT WE'RE PRESERVING JOBS AND PEOPLE GET A YEAR. LIKE LIKE I WOULD START THINKING WE HAVE WE HAVE SOME, WE STILL HAVE SOME, SOME STRUCTURAL ECONOMIC DEFICITS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. BUT KUDOS TO YOU FOR BEING THOROUGH. MAYBE THAT ENERGY WILL BRING IT UP. BILL. 
          SO GOOD JOB. I'M TRYING I'M TRYING MY BEST. BUT THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND STAFF. YOU'RE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME. I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN ON A ROLLER COASTER, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'LL CALM DOWN FOR A
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