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1. Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Proposed Budget

Jul 30, 2025 City Council Study Session

1. Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Proposed Budget

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LET'S BEGIN THE MEETING OF THE REGULAR. ACTUALLY, THE SPECIAL COUNCIL STUDY SESSION JULY 30TH, 2025. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STUDY SESSION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 PROPOSED BUDGET. IT'S IN

[1. Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Proposed Budget]

PERSON. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GET STARTED. SO I IMAGINE A BILL AND LINCOLN WELCOME. WE HAVEN'T MET OR HEARD A LOT ABOUT YOU. YEAH. YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. LINCOLN LINCOLN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING THE PRESENTATION. IT'LL BE IN THE SIMILAR FORMAT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HEARD BEFORE IN THE PAST WHEN I WAS HERE, WHERE WE'LL GO THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND. WE'LL GO THROUGH WATER, WE'LL GO THROUGH SANITARY AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE FIRE DISTRICT AS WELL. WITHIN THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED THE BUDGET PROCESS, THERE WERE A LOT OF REQUESTS COMING IN FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. AND I THINK WE STARTED OUT WITH ABOUT A $5 MILLION DEFICIT, AND WHERE WE ENDED UP WAS AT ABOUT 2.4 MILLION. AND THAT'S WHERE LINCOLN WILL PICK UP, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A SHEET WITH RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS. AND SO WITHIN THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS. AND THERE IS NO PROPOSED LAYOFFS WITHIN THESE ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE WE'VE YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOUGH THING, BUT IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE EITHER RESIGN OR OR YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T FILL A POSITION SO WE CAN FREEZE POSITIONS, WHICH IS SHRINKING THE ORGANIZATION, BUT DOING IT IN A MORE HUMANE WAY, AND THAT WE'RE NOT LAYING OFF AN EMPLOYEE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FREEZING OF POSITIONS IN THERE. THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS. THERE'S A CHANGE TO A COUPLE OF EVENTS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNTS. AND I'LL LET I'M TAKING THIS THUNDER, SO I'M GOING TO LET LINCOLN DO HIS THING, AND I'M GOING TO SIT BACK AND ENJOY, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE SAT AS A CITY MANAGER OR EVEN AS A FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND SOMEBODY ELSE DID THE FINANCE PRESENTATION. SO GOOD.

WELL, WE GOT WE GOT TWO EYES OR FOUR EYES, I GUESS SIX EYES, I GUESS, ON US, YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A GOOD BUDGET AND THAT WE'RE BALANCED AT THE END OF THE DAY, OR THAT WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET. I THINK FOR OUR STUDY SESSION, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF FREE FLOWING. SO IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AN IDEA OR A QUESTION, FEEL FREE TO ASK. I DO HAVE A HARD STOP FOR MYSELF AT 630. I HAVE TO I HAVE TO LEAVE. BUT I'M AWARE OF THE NUMBERS AND. BUT. LINCOLN. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

LINCOLN BOGARD, FINANCE DIRECTOR. TODAY, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE FISCAL 2526 PROPOSED BUDGET. WE'LL FOCUS MAINLY ON THE GENERAL FUND. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SHOW AN INCREASE IN TAXES. I HAVE A SEPARATE SLIDE FOR THAT. HOWEVER, AN OVERVIEW PROPERTY TAX. WE EXPECT TO GO UP ABOUT 6% FROM THIS YEAR'S ACTUALS. SALES TAX GOING DOWN. VARIOUS OTHER TAXES CHANGING AS WELL. WE HAVE INCREASES IN LICENSES AND PERMITS AND CHARGES FOR SERVICES. AS YOU CAN SEE, CHARGES FOR SERVICES IS STILL BELOW THE 2223 LEVEL. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT BACK INTO PRIOR NUMBERS IN THE COMING YEARS. YOU CAN SEE IN 2122 IT WAS ACTUALLY AT 1.3 MILLION INTERGOVERNMENTAL. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH GRANT REVENUE COMING IN THIS YEAR FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

FINES AND FORFEITURES. WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO GO UP AS WELL. INTEREST IN OTHER REVENUES DUE TO THE HIGH INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ONLY EXPERIENCE FOR PART OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO REMAIN HIGHER, CLOSER TO THE 2324 ACTUALS. WELL, ABOUT HALF THAT 2223. AND OUR TRANSFERS ALSO WENT UP. A LOT OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH. FUNDING FOR. FIRES OUT. SO THIS IS OUR WELL, WHEN WE GET INTO THE FIRE, WHEN WE GET INTO THE FIRE DISCUSSION, OUR TRANSFERS, IF YOU JUST LOOK OVER TIME, IT'S VERY A VERY TELLING STORY. IF YOU GO FROM 2122 AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING NOW, I MEAN, WE WERE AT 36 MILLION, WE'RE AT 39 MILLION. SO REVENUES NOT SO MUCH WORRIED THERE. THEY'VE GROWN OVER TIME. BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE SIDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPENDITURES. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL OPEN YOUR EYES. THE I WAS TELLING YOU THAT WE HAD MORE INFORMATION ON TAX REVENUES. WE'RE EXPECTING MODEST CHANGES IN THE UT. WE'RE EXPECTING MEASURE USE SALES TAX GO DOWN ABOUT 5.5%. AND OUR REGULAR

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BRADLEY BURN SALES TAX TO GO DOWN ALMOST 9%. THOSE ARE CONSERVATIVE. WE MAY COME IN A LITTLE OVER THOSE, BUT WITH SOME OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE SLOW RIGHT NOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T OVER BUDGET THOSE AREAS. OUR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX IS A BIG INCREASE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING IN OVER BUDGET. THAT'S THE ADJUSTED BUDGET FOR THE ESTIMATED 2425.

WE'RE COMING IN OVER BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE TOT RATE. SO WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO COME IN AROUND 1.8 AND 2526. THE CANNABIS TAX, WE HAVE A STRONG CUT IN. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REDUCTION IN THAT. AND IN THE LAST YEAR WE HAD A LOT OF PRIOR YEAR PAYMENTS. WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE COMPANY THAT IS ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE OR A PAYMENT PLAN. SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT BUDGET QUITE A BIT. THE FRANCHISE TAX WE'RE EXPECTING TO REMAIN IN LINE WITH THE PAST FEW YEARS, THE CONSTRUCTION TAX, WE'RE EXPECTING CONSTRUCTION TO SLOW SLIGHTLY THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT BY ABOUT 16%. BUSINESS LICENSE TAX. WE'RE EXPECTING A MODEST INCREASE.

PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX AGAIN FEWER HOME SALES. SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT BY ABOUT 9%.

PROPERTY TAX AND VLF FEES ARE KIND OF RELATED. YOU'LL SEE ONE SHOWS A 13.5% INCREASE AND PROPERTY TAX SHOWS A 16% INCREASE. WE ACTUALLY CAME IN OVER BUDGET THIS THIS PAST YEAR FOR BOTH OF THOSE. SO THE ACTUAL BUDGETED INCREASE OVER THIS YEAR'S ACTUALS WILL BE ABOUT 6%.

AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALSO BOTH CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES. FOR EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT. I WOULD NOTE THAT THE CITY MANAGER BUDGET HAS BEEN REDUCED. I BELIEVE A BIG PART OF THAT WAS THE. THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PRIOR CITY MANAGER, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER ALSO REDUCED, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS DUE TO CONTRACT THAT WAS REMOVED. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THERE WAS A REBRANDING THAT WAS IN THERE. AND SO AT SOME POINT, IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO THAT, THEY'LL COME BACK AS A SEPARATE APPROPRIATION AS FROM THE COUNCIL, RATHER THAN INCLUDING IT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. THE LARGEST REDUCTION OF $4 MILLION WAS IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH CIP FUNDING FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO INSTEAD OF FUNDING IT ABOUT 4 MILLION THIS YEAR, WE'RE ONLY BUDGETING THE ACTUAL NECESSARY GENERAL FUND MATCHES FOR GRANTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT REDUCTION IS ABOUT 3.7 MILLION. OF THAT 4 MILLION REDUCTION. A LOT OF THE OTHERS ARE. MINOR CHANGES. ONE OTHER TO NOTICE IS POLICE SERVICES GOING UP ABOUT 1.5 MILLION OR 12%. THEIR ACTUALS WENT OVER BUDGET IN 2425. SO IT'S ACTUALLY COMING IN ABOVE WHAT IS ON HERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE BUDGET AMOUNT. THE ACTUAL INCREASE IS ABOUT SEVEN 9%. AND THE FIRE SERVICES ALSO 1.5 MILLION. AGAIN, THEY ALSO CAME IN OVER BUDGET. AND THEIR INCREASE IS I BELIEVE AROUND 12.75 THIS YEAR FROM THE ACTUALS LAST YEAR. THE BY CATEGORY OUR SALARIES AND BENEFITS UP ABOUT 6% YEAR OVER YEAR. DONATIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS AND EVENTS DOWN 25%. SOME OF THE ADMIN AND LEGAL SERVICES HAD INCREASES, BUT OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS THAT THE CITY HAS. WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THAT BY ABOUT 11%. AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY SHOWS OVERALL AN INCREASE OF 21%. I THINK THE OVERALL IS ABOUT 10%. WHEN YOU TAKE THE ACTUAL FROM THIS PAST YEAR TO WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING THIS YEAR, THAT IS THE LARGEST INCREASE. AND THAT REALLY KIND OF OFFSETS THE REDUCTION IN TRANSFERS OF

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3.7 MILLION DOWN NEAR THE BOTTOM. THAT GETS US TO A CURRENT BUDGETED GENERAL FUND NET LOSS OF. $2.43 MILLION. AND THAT'S DOWN FROM A BUDGETED NET LOSS IN 2425, ENDING BUDGET OF 4.5 MILLION. SO WE CAME UP WITH ANOTHER 2 MILLION IN RECOMMENDED BUDGET CHANGES. I BELIEVE THAT THE VLF IS BUDGETED A LITTLE LOW. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRIOR SLIDE, IT WAS NOT INCREASING BY THE SAME 6% THAT THE PROPERTY TAX WAS. SO WE INCREASED THAT BY ABOUT 62,500 PATROL DEPUTIES. WE HAVE A SAVINGS OF 317,200 APPROXIMATELY. SO THE PRIOR ESTIMATED OVERAGE WAS 4.2%. AND WE REVISED IT TO 1.3 BASED ON 2025 ACTUALS. THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER FOR POLICE, WE RECOMMEND DELAYING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FLOCK CAMERAS. THAT'S A $180,000 SAVINGS. PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT SERVICES, A TRANSFER TO FIRE DELAY, THE ADDITION OF A FIRE PERMIT TECHNICIAN THAT WOULD SAVE ABOUT 140,000, AND THEN SOME EMPLOYEE FREEZES, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, MANAGEMENT ANALYST, HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT ANALYST, CITY ENGINEER, AND A PRINCIPAL PLANNER. ALTOGETHER, THAT'S ABOUT 650,000. AND THERE WERE SOME SALARY DISTRIBUTION CHANGES THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THE IN THE BUDGET THAT TOTALED ABOUT 350,000. AND THEN FROM THE EVENTS, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE WAS BUDGETED AT 160. AND THE BELIEF IS WE COULD CUT 60,000 THERE AND STILL PUT ON A GOOD EVENT FOR $100,000. THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CONTRACT CAME IN AT 41,000, WHICH ALLOWED US A SAVINGS OF 34,000. AND THE TACO EVENT IS BEING PUT ON BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SO THAT ALLOWED US TO CUT 75,000 RECOMMENDED CUT FOR 75, TOTALING 2 MILLION, WHICH BRINGS THE RECOMMENDED NET LOSS DOWN TO 432,000. SO IN THEIR TWO BILL NO, IT WAS WE BECAUSE WE CANCELED IT. IT WAS ACTUALLY I'D TAKEN IT OUT OF THE WORKSHEETS. SO IT'S BEEN ON THE WORKSHEET. SO YEAH. SO IT'S BEEN DEDUCTED.

IT'S ACTUALLY OUT OF THE, THE OTHERWISE OUR LOSS WOULD HAVE BEEN AT LIKE 2.6 MILLION INSTEAD. SO IN THE BUDGET BOOK THAT WE PRESENTED WE PRESENTED 39,129,000 IN REVENUE AND 41,559 OR 41,559,000, IN EXPENDITURES, FOR $2.43 MILLION DEFICIT IN THE PROPOSED NEXT WEEK. THE RECOMMENDED WOULD COME BACK WITH REVENUES AT 39,000,001 91,000 AND EXPENDITURES AT 39,000,006 24,000, WITH A REDUCTION OF THE DEFICIT TO $432,305. WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROPOSE AS RECOMMENDED CUTS, BUT THAT WE WANTED TO GET COUNCIL'S INPUT AND THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS, THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE. WE EXPECT ABOUT A 250,000 A YEAR SAVINGS.

IF THAT'S IMPLEMENTED, THE P7 MESQUITE ANNEXATION, IF THAT COMPLETES BY DECEMBER 1ST, THAT WOULD ALLOW US POTENTIALLY 250,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE. AND THEN THERE ARE TWO POSITIONS FOR FIRE INSPECTORS THAT ARE COSTING THE CITY ABOUT 600,000. AND THEY WERE EXPECTING REVENUE OF ABOUT 150. SO IF YOU NET THAT THAT'S 450. BUT THEY NEED 120 DAY NOTICE. SO IT BRINGS IT DOWN TO A SAVINGS OF 175,000. SO IF ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WERE IMPLEMENTED, IT WOULD BRING

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THE GENERAL FUND BUDGETED NET INCOME TO $242,695. THE FUND BALANCE WITHOUT THOSE ITEMS. IN 2024, WHICH IS OUR LAST AUDIT, WE HAD UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 20.6 MILLION. IF THE ADJUSTED BUDGET COMES IN AS THE ACTUALS FOR. 2425, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE WOULD BE REDUCED BY ABOUT $8.25 MILLION. THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES WITH THE 432,000 NET LOSS WOULD ADD ABOUT A MILLION TO THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, AND THAT WOULD PUT OUR PROJECTED FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF 2026 AT 13.375 MILLION FOR UNASSIGNED. AND THAT'S THAT'S I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WERE LAID OUT, THAT'S WHERE THAT DELTA COMES FROM, THAT SOME OF IT BECAUSE YOU NOTICED OUR COMMITTED NUMBER INCREASED A LITTLE TOO. WE SPENT SOME OF THAT MONEY ON AVENUE 52 AND ALSO DOING SOME REPAVING PROJECTS. BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME OF THAT. MONEY HAS NOT BEEN UNCOMMITTED, SO THERE'S STILL SOME CLEANUP THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THAT POINT TO THE COMMITTED HERE IS ACTUALLY ONLY THE EMERGENCY RESERVE. I'M SORRY. SO IT'S GOT TO BE ABOUT ASSIGNED. ASSIGNED. YEAH. MY FAULT. YES. ASSIGNED. SO THE COMMITTED IS GOING UP. COMMITTED WAS GOING UP FOR 2425 BECAUSE THE BUDGETED EXPENDITURES WENT UP. IF THE EXPENDITURES COME IN LOWER THAT COMMITTED NUMBER WILL DROP, WOULD GO DOWN. AND THAT'S COMING FROM UNASSIGNED. RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE JUST TRANSFERRING OVER FROM UNASSIGNED TO COMMITTED. AND THAT MAKES UP THAT EIGHT.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CIP THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. YEAH. THAT THAT'S THE 1.3 MILLION OKAY. AND THEN THE THERE WAS SOME SOME ASSIGNED FOR A REORGANIZATION OF STAFFING FOR 600,000 THAT WE'D BE TAKING OUT IN 25, 26. AND THE LAND FOR THE FIRE STATION OF A MILLION. AND THEN THE AN ADDITION OF AN ADDITIONAL 762,000 FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH COMES UP TO THAT. 838,000 REDUCTION. AND WHERE ARE WE AT ON TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE ON THE ACTUARIAL ACTUARIAL LIABILITY WHERE WE FUND IT AT AT THIS POINT, BILL FOR POLICY, IT'S ACTUALLY SITTING AS A RESERVE FUND BALANCE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FUNDED ANY OF IT. SO WE CAN SET UP A TRUST WHERE WE'RE FUNDING OPEB EXPENDITURES. BUT WE HAVE NOT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET. AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO AHEAD AND FUND IT FOR 1.4. AT SOME POINT. WE NEED TO RESERVE IT BECAUSE WE OWE THAT TO THE EMPLOYEES BASED UPON PROMISES MADE IN THE PAST. SO IT HAS TO SHOW UP SOMEWHERE. SO YES. GOT YOU. AND THEN THE SOFTWARE UPDATES. ARE WE STILL MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. YES. YES. WE'RE YEAH. WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE CHART OF ACCOUNTS AND IT'S WE JUST ABOUT HAD TO START OVER. SO AND THE 2.7 IS 52. YES. AND WHICH IS UNDER. AND THEN THERE'S SOME MATCHES AND ANOTHER 232,000 THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE REMAINING DELTA THERE. SO BETWEEN THE TRANSFER OF THE ASSIGNED PLUS THE ASSIGNMENTS I GUESS THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP. WE GO FROM 20 TO 13. YEAH. THE ENDING SO IT'S NOT LOST IS MY POINT RIGHT. THE ENDING BUDGETED NET LOSS FOR 2425. THE ENDING BUDGET WAS 4.8 MILLION LOSS. GOT IT. SO THAT WILL THAT WILL IMPACT OUR FUND BALANCE AT PEACE. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE ACTUALS WILL COME IN BETTER THAN THAT. HOW MUCH BETTER. WE DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE URINE CLOSING PROCESS. SURE. BUT IT COULD I WOULD GUESS IT'LL COME IN BETTER. GENERALLY, YOU DON'T SPEND ALL YOUR EXPENDITURES. I KNOW SOME OF OUR REVENUES ARE OVER. SO GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO BACK TO IT'S A GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND AT PRESENT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE AT A DEFICIT OF 400,000.

AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OR THERE IN TERMS OF IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN GET AT A POSITIVE BUDGET OR BE IN A SURPLUS TO 242 K. THERE IS ONE CAVEAT THAT THE FIRE. WAS BUDGET WAS BUDGETED. THERE YOU

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GO. THEIR PROJECTED FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF 2425, BASED ON THE 2324 ACTUALS. THE BUDGET PUTS THEM AT -355,000. AGAIN, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY'LL COME IN BETTER THAN THAT, BUT WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL GENERAL FUND TRANSFER TO COVER THAT NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE. THEY CAN GET IT FROM THEIR INSPECTORS. YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T CUT THOSE, BUT THE INSPECTORS, THEY WERE ONLY EXPECTING TO BRING IN 150,000 ON A COST OF 600. SO WE WERE THINKING POTENTIALLY OF DELAYING THAT. CORRECT. AND THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY, HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR OURSELVES. AND I SAID, OKAY, I WANT TO SEE IT. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S OCCURRING. AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. ONE IS IT'S ENERGY. WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN ENERGY PROBLEM AND WE'RE RUNNING INTO WE CAN'T GROW OUR WAY OUT OF IT.

IS THE CONCERN RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO GROW OUR WAY OUT OF IT. AND THEN TWO, THE ECONOMY IS SLOWING DOWN. AND SO INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH. ECONOMY IS SLOWING DOWN.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF PANIC IN THE IN THE ECONOMY WITH DIFFERENT FEDERAL POLICIES THAT ARE IMPACTING PEOPLE'S CONSUMING POWERS. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S A GOOD WAY OF ADDRESSING THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT BY PRESERVING A LOT OF THE STAFF. LIKE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, IT WAS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO CUT STAFF. AND THERE WAS THIS FAMOUS LIST THAT WAS OUT THERE. THAT FAMOUS LIST IS GONE. YOU'RE PROPOSING FREEZES, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE STAFF FLAT, BUT WE'RE WHICH IS GOOD NEWS TO THE STAFF, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO LAY OFF.

YEAH, IT JUST WOULD BE UNBUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN READDRESSED AT THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. IF IN TERMS OF, WELL, THAT'LL GIVE US A YEAR TO KIND OF SEE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT, EITHER IF WE NEED TO DO LAYOFFS IN THE YEAR OR NOT, OR IF WE NEED TO ADD STAFF BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING. CORRECT. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH. I MEAN, IN A YEAR WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FUND ANY OF THOSE POSITIONS OR OR NOT. THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS WE KNOW POLICE AND FIRE ARE GOING TO INCREASE ABOUT 9% AGAIN. SO WE KNOW THAT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO $2 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OVERCOME JUST WITH POLICE AND FIRE, WE'VE GOT 3% COMING IN COLAS TO OUR REGULAR EMPLOYEES AND FORTUNATELY BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THESE PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE MADE AND BY CAREFULLY FILLING OR NOT FILLING STAFF POSITIONS OR RECRUITING OR WHATEVER WE'VE DONE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIX OUR BUDGET ISSUE THIS YEAR WITH ONE TIME FIXES. I CAN'T GO BACK AND GO TO THE SAME POT AGAIN AND REDUCE, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT EVERY POSITION IS FILLED. SO GOT IT. AND THEN WE HAVE THREATS, RIGHT? LIKE WE HAVE WE HAVE MORE GAS STATIONS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE. AND THEY SIPHONED OFF LIKE 1.2 MILLION AND GAS TAX REVENUE. SO WHO KNOWS. THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE. BUT AT LEAST THE BUDGET MESSAGE THAT I SEE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING KEY SERVICES, THAT WE'RE FREEZING POSITIONS. WE ARE GROWING WITH MESQUITE AS WELL. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE OFFERING SOME GOLDEN HANDSHAKES TO EMPLOYEES. IF WE FOLLOW THIS AND WE WILL, WE WILL COME OUT ON TOP WITH THE $243,000 SURPLUS, THE $42,000 SURPLUS. SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT A BAD BUDGET PICTURE IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS. RIGHT. SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE AND YOU CAN JUST DO A COUPLE OF THEM I MEAN YOU KNOW THERE'S THREE OPTIONS UP THERE. BUT YOU CAN JUST GO ALONG WITH TWO OF THEM AND STILL BALANCE YOUR BUDGET. SO I YOU KNOW, I'M ONE THAT LIKES TO SAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S BETTER TO SAVE BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS YEAR'S GOING TO BRING, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S SO I MEAN, I WOULD SAY WITH THE 120 DAY NOTICE ON THE FIRE INSPECTORS, IF YOU'RE JUST DELAYING IMPLEMENTATION, IT ALLOWS THEM TIME TO SET UP THE FRAMEWORK SO THAT NEXT YEAR, JULY 1ST, THEY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, YOU KNOW. IF IN THE EVENT THAT WE DECIDE TO ADD THEM

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BACK. RIGHT? YEAH. IF, IF THEY CAN PAY FOR THEMSELVES. YEAH. WELL I MEAN THAT'S I, I, I THINK I'D LOVE TO SEE THEM PAY FOR THEMSELVES. WE HAVE WE'VE PREVIOUSLY WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE COUNTY RIGHT. AND THAT THAT SERVICE WENT WELL AND I DIDN'T REALLY GET A LOT OF A LOT OF CALLS FROM DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESSES ETC. THAT IT WASN'T WORKING. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I NEVER DID. THE IDEA WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH OF THE ECONOMY THAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. BUT THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN THE BUILDERS AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, AND WE GOT TO THINK OF IT FROM THIS STANDPOINT, IF THE IDEA IS FOR THEM TO GO INTO BUSINESSES AND START TO INSPECT OUR BUSINESSES, WELL, THAT'S GOING TO ADD COST TO OUR BUSINESSES. AND RIGHT NOW OUR BUSINESS IS ECONOMY IS LIKE JUST YEAH, WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED THE TIME TO GO COLLECT FROM THEM. I DON'T WE IMPLEMENTED THE FIRE INSPECTOR INSPECTORS IN MY LAST POSITION LAST YEAR, AND THERE WAS A ROTATING SCHEDULE TO GO BACK TO BUSINESSES EVERY YEAR OR 2 OR 3 DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS. SO THEY WILL BE COUNTING ON GOING BACK TO BUSINESSES ON A RECURRING BASIS. THAT'S PART OF HOW THEY WOULD PAY FOR THAT. WHAT WAS THE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESSES? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF VOCAL OPPOSITION WHEN IT WAS FIRST HAPPENING. YEAH, I DON'T WANT THAT. THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT. YOU GUYS CAN OVERRIDE ME, BUT I WILL BE VOCAL ABOUT LEAVING BUSINESSES ALONE. AND THIS ECONOMY. DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE A BUSINESS WITH THE CHARGES ON THE BUSINESS? NO, BUT IT IS ON THE WEBSITE. I CAN FIND IT. WELL, I'M JUST THINKING, LIKE, IF IT'S LIKE X AMOUNT VISIT AND THEN THEY FIND A SAFETY ISSUE, THEN THAT BUSINESS HAS X, Y AND Z. AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE OLD BUILDINGS.

SO THEN IT CREATES THIS LIKE DOMINO EFFECT, BECAUSE NOW THIS BUSINESS HAS A LIKE $100,000 BILL BECAUSE OF ONE INSPECTION. BUT THEN ALSO YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY PART WHEN SOMEONE SITS DOWN IN A BUSINESS, IT'S LIKE IT'S LIKE A TWO SIDED KIND OF SWORD. RIGHT. SO YEAH. WHAT YOU SAID IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE, BUT I JUST LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. LIKE I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE CHARGE ON THE BUSINESS. IT'S LIKE IF THEY'RE ALREADY LIKE STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE INTO THEIR DOOR BECAUSE YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN SOMETIMES AND IT'S GOOD FOOD FOR LESS. AND IT'S EMPTY ON A SATURDAY NOW IT'S EMPTY. IT'S, IT'S THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE AT SATURDAY AT 5:00. IT'S A GHOST TOWN. IT USED TO BE BUSY. SO FOR FORGIVE ME, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE TODAY TOO, FOR FIRE INSPECTORS. THE SAVINGS HERE IS SAYING 175,000. CORRECT. BUT THEN WHAT'S ANTICIPATED IS A $400,000 DEFICIT FOR FIRE SERVICES. RIGHT. OR SAYING THAT. YES. SO AND THEN SO THE 175 IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 400,000. THAT'S TRUE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW OKAY. WE'RE REMOVE THE 175,000. NOW WE HAVE $400,000 STILL DEFICIT. AND THEN SO IF WE'RE REMOVING THE FIRE INSPECTORS THE FIRE INSPECTOR SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK TO PAY BACK THE 175,000, NOT THE 400,000. CORRECT. CORRECT. THE, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS FOR 600,000 FOR THOSE STAFF AND THEN 150 IN EXPECTED REVENUE IN THE FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME FOR THEM TO GET THE PROCESS SET UP. IF WE GAVE THEM 120 DAY NOTICE, WE ESTIMATED THAT THE EXPENDITURES WOULD BE AROUND. I THINK LIKE 300 TO 350 IN SAVINGS AND THEN UNDOING THE 150 TO GET TO THE 175. RIGHT. SO I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR MADE A COMMENT FOR THE 400,000 IS THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT MONEY WITH SOME OF THE INSPECTORS, BUT THAT WOULD THAT POSSIBILITY WOULD THEN BE REMOVED. SO WE'RE REMOVING THE FIRE INSPECTORS AS WELL. SO WE'RE STUCK WITH THE $400,000 DEFICIT THERE. RIGHT. MADE THAT COMMENT. SO. SO GOING INTO THE I'M LOOKING AT THE FUND OVERVIEW, THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES BY DEPARTMENT. YES. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I, I DIVIDED ALL THE EXPENDITURES OBVIOUSLY BY BY DEPARTMENT. BUT PUT ENGINEERING WITH ENGINEERING AND THEN PUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND SO IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS GONE UP 1.3 MILLION. ENGINEERING HAS GONE UP 782,000, PUBLIC WORKS 1.2 MILLION AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY 5.7 MILLION. SO IN THREE YEARS,

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JUST IN THOSE FOUR DEPARTMENTS, IT WENT UP 11.5 MILLION. THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS THAT IT WASN'T JUST PERSONNEL THAT INCREASED. THERE WAS OTHER STUFF TOO. AND SO I'M TRYING TO DIG INTO WHAT OTHER STUFF WENT UP AS WELL. SO I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IN THE LAST YEAR YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S ONLY GOING UP 6%. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, IT'S 10 MILLION OVER 7 MILLION. SO THAT WAS A HUGE JUMP BETWEEN 2324 AND OUR BUDGET FOR 2425. RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT FOR LIKE THE I'M LOOKING AT 22 TO 20, 2023 AND I'M LOOKING AT 2025, 2026, PRETTY MUCH 2022.

AND I THINK 23 PRETTY MUCH STAYED EVEN. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS TOO MANY CHANGES THERE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. MAYBE A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HERE AND THERE, GIVE AND TAKE, BUT ALMOST 400, 400,000. BUT BUT THERE WAS A BIG JUMP THERE. SO IT'S 11.5 AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUAL FROM 2022 TO 2023 TO INITIAL BUDGET FOR 2526, IT'S AN $11.5 MILLION JUMP. SO AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT WHEN IT TALKED ABOUT LAYOFFS, IS YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE'RE NOT DOING LAYOFFS. BUT DOES THIS THE NUMBERS THERE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FROZEN OR. NO, NO THIS DOES NOT OKAY. SO THE 11.5 MILLION OR IN THIS DEPARTMENT'S THEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 4041 MILLION WE CAN BRING THAT DOWN BACK TO THE.

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CENTER PAYS FOR THEIRS OUT OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THE LIBRARY IS PAID OUT OF NON-GOVERNMENTAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S PAID OUT IN A NON-DEPARTMENTAL LMDS IS PAID OUT. LMDS PARKS IS PAID OUT OF PARKS. SO YEAH, EVERYBODY'S GETTING THEIR PIECE OF IT. I JUST REAL QUICK I GOT THIS EXCUSE MYSELF. I GOT TO LEAVE TO LOS ANGELES. BUT I'M OKAY WITH MOVING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE RECOMMENDED SURPLUS. I THINK WE CAN ADJUST THIS AND GET AHEAD OF THE DEFICIT KNOWING THAT THE ECONOMY IS SLOWING DOWN. GIVE US A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM. WE PRESERVE KEY SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, POLICE STAYS ON TOUCH INCLUDES THE MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC SAFETY FIRE. WE GOT A SQUAD. YOU KNOW, WE GOT A FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY GOT A NEW BUILDING. THE INSPECTORS I LIKE I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE, LET THEM DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE'LL COME AT MID-YEAR, REVIEW IT IF WE CAN ADJUST, ETC. YOU ALSO GIVE ME THE ACTUARIALS. THIS PRESERVES STAFF THE FACT THAT THE CULTURE.

RIGHT. WE WERE TALKING PEOPLE WERE SCARED AND THEN. WHILE I WANT TO HEAR ANDREW BE PREPARED TO BRING UP THE CIP NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I IMAGINE THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A ROBUST CIP PROJECT. SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE. IT'S GIVING US SOME BREATHING ROOM. YOU KNOW, GOLDEN HANDSHAKES WILL COME INTO EFFECT. AND I THINK IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, BUT IT'S ONE WHERE WE'RE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT. SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT MAYOR PRO TEM YOU CAN RUN THE MEETING. THANK YOU MAYOR I GOTTA RUN I'M A SAFE TRAVEL. I'M TRYING MY BEST HERE. LINCOLN, CAN WE GO TO THE TO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT? THE FUND OVERVIEW, WHICH WOULD BE THE FOR THE EVEN. FOR THE WHAT? IT'S PAGE 99 ON MINE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT ON THERE, BUT IT'S THE IT'S THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT GENERAL FUND. THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL BUDGET DOCUMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP OR NOT. CAN WE PULL IT UP? WELL, THE BUDGET DOCUMENT 99, YOU SAID. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF WE IF WE CAN'T, I JUST IT'S PUBLISHED FOR THIS MEETING. OH YES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIAL EVENT. YEAH. LOOK AT THE SPECIAL EVENTS.

OOPS. DID YOU SAY PAGE 96, 99, 99, 99. OUR END. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OH MY GOD. OKAY. IT'S UP. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE REASON I'M ASKING TO PULL IT UP IS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE PULLING IT UP, IT'S NOT ALL THE. IS IT ALL THE EXPENSES FOR THOSE EVENTS. FOR EXAMPLE. SO I NOTICED THAT EL GRITO WAS REMOVED ALTOGETHER, RIGHT? YES.

BUT THEN WE STILL NEEDED TO SEE EL GRITO FOR THE PAST FISCAL YEARS. SO EL GRITO WAS REMOVED ALTOGETHER. BUT IT SHOULD HAVE STAYED ON. IT'S PROBABLY A FORMULA. WE USE AN AT SYMBOL TO HIDE LINES. SO I'LL GO IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S UNHIDDEN. OKAY. BUT THE TOTALS WOULD INCLUDE IT AT THE BOTTOM. SO THIS LAST 2425 THERE WAS 934,000. IF YOU GO BACK TO 1920, IT WAS ABOUT 522,000. THEN IT WENT DOWN TO 200,000 DURING THE PANDEMIC. THEN IT CAME BACK UP

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TO 665 AND THEN 865, THEN EIGHT, 95. NOT SURE WHERE WE'LL END 2425 BUT THE ENDING BUDGET WAS 934,000. YES, FOR SOME OF THE EVENTS, LINCOLN, IS THAT ALL THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH IT? THAT WOULD BE THE CITY CONTRIBUTION. SO IF THERE'S STAFF OVERTIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT NECESSARILY. IT'S IT IT FALLS UNDER DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. IT WOULD BE UNDER SALARIES AND BENEFITS. SO FOR EXAMPLE IT'S IN OVERTIME. AND THEN IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO RENT, IF WE HAVE TO GET TOPS AND BARRICADES, OR IF WE HAVE TO GET LIGHT TOWERS, THEN IT'S CHARGED TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S DOING IT, WHICH WAS TYPICALLY PUBLIC WORKS. SO IT FALLS UNDER DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. YES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS A CITY CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THEN PERSONNEL. WE'RE LOOKING AT WHATEVER THE CLEANUP IS AFTERWARDS. THE SETUP THAT FALLS UNDER DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT. AND SO THE REASON I'M SAYING IT IS NOT SO MUCH TO, YOU KNOW, BE LOOKING AT OR, OR SO MUCH IS GOING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT, THAT EVENTS ARE BEING TARGETED, BUT RATHER IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND I KNOW I SENT AN EMAIL FOR THAT. AND THE REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EVENT WAS 165,000, RIGHT? IS THAT THE CONTRIBUTION ONLY? YES, THAT'S A CONTRIBUTION ONLY. IT DOESN'T COUNT ANY STAFF OVERTIME OR RUNNING THE PARKING LOT OR THE LEASE ON THE PARKING LOT. NONE OF THAT. SO FOR THOUGH IT'S 160, I'M GOING TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS REMOVED, 165,000 IS THE CITY CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN WE WOULD SAY THAT PERSONNEL FOR THE CONTRIBUTION IS PROBABLY HOW MUCH. THAT'S 20,000. I'D JUST SAY I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S MORE THAN THAT FOR THE OVERTIME FOR IT. AND THAT'S OUR HEAVILY MOST HEAVILY STAFFED EVENT. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK 40. YOU KNOW, I HATE TO JUST THROW A NUMBER UP THERE BECAUSE WE HAD NEVER TRACKED IT BY EVENT, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR AUDIT, WE ALWAYS TIE BACK TO WHAT OUR, OUR FEDERAL STUFF IS. AND SO ALLOCATING A COST TO A LINE ITEM AND THEN TRYING TO BUILD BACK TO SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR AUDIT PURPOSES, IT MAKES IT NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. SO WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT AND I KNOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT GOES UNDER SALARIES OBVIOUSLY DEPARTMENTS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE USE UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION. IT GOES UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION AS WELL. IT GOES UNDER PERSONNEL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HIGHLIGHTING IT, BECAUSE WHAT WE SHOW AS A CONTRIBUTION ISN'T THE ACTUAL. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO AND THIS IS BEAR WITH ME. THIS IS WHY I'M TRYING TO GET TO THIS. SO 165,000 FOR EL GRITO EVENT CONTRIBUTION. AND THEN GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE BILL FOR I WOULD SAY AROUND 230 TO 240,000 ALL IN. SO WE'LL SAY FOR PERSONNEL THEY JUST GIVE ME A NUMBER, MAYBE 30. WELL, IF ONE OF THE EVENTS IS 20, THEY PROBABLY THINK IT'S AT LEAST 40 K. AND CLOSE TO THAT I WOULD IMAGINE. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO 40 K. WE'RE NOW AT 205. AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP THE PARK AFTERWARDS.

AND I THINK I ASKED AND THAT'S ABOUT 50 K. SO WE'RE ALREADY 90 K ABOVE THE 165 K RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE AT. WE'RE NOW ABOUT 260. WE'RE AT 200, 255,000 ALONE. AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION PERSONNEL, PUBLIC WORKS. WELL I THINK IT FALLS. THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE THAT. IT FALLS UNDER PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION AS WELL. WE'LL SEE IT THERE. ADDITION IN ADDITION TO THE CONTRIBUTION. BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST CLOSE TO 260. IT'S ABOVE WHAT YOU THINK. IT'S ABOUT 265 K FOR JUST ONE, ONE EVENT. SO WHEN WE REMOVE THE 160 WHEN WE REMOVE THE 160. BEAR WITH ME GUYS. I BREAK DOWN NUMBERS. WHEN WE REMOVE THE 165 FROM THIS ACCOUNT, DID WE ALSO THEN REMOVE THE OTHER 90 K? THE BUDGETS FOR OVERTIME. AND TYPICALLY THEY WEREN'T BUDGETED. AND YOU'D NOTICE IN PUBLIC WORKS WE WERE ALWAYS OVER BUDGET IN PUBLIC WORKS. AND THAT WAS MOST OF THE REASON. YES OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHY. SO I'M GOING BACK TO THAT JUMP THAT WE'RE SEEING IN

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PUBLIC WORKS OR SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS. AND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT THERE'S A JUMP. IT'S NOT JUST IN PERSONNEL THAT WE SEE THAT JUMP. WE ALSO SEE THAT JUMP BEING SPREAD OUT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS REALLY QUITE A BIT. I MEAN, WE'LL SEE THOSE JUMPS IN THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS. WE WERE SPENDING MORE PROBABLY THAN WE HAD BEFORE THAT I WOULD SAY BEFORE 22, 23. AND I CAN'T GO BACK THAT FAR. BUT THESE DEPARTMENTS WENT UP BY A LOT. IT WASN'T JUST PERSONNEL. IT WAS I MEAN, EVERYTHING. I MEAN, EVEN IN TRAVEL, ONE DEPARTMENT ALONE WAS SPENDING LIKE 75,000 AND JUST ONE DEPARTMENT FOR JUST CONFERENCES AND, AND EVENTS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF MONIES HERE AND THERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY MORE RESPONSIBLE MOVING FORWARD ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING THESE FEES. BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I KNOW WHAT STAFF HAS. WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED, BUT I KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE CUTS HERE AND THERE AS WELL. WE HAVE AN EXPENSE ACCOUNT FOR 200,000 WHEN IT COMES TO TRAVEL CONFERENCES, MEETINGS, 200,000 GUYS, I DON'T THINK I THINK CITY COUNCIL ALONE WAS 35. WHERE'S THE OTHER 165 COMING FROM? YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT. THAT'S A LOT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING INTO ALL THESE OTHER NUMBERS TO SEE IF WE CAN BE MORE CONSERVATIVE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF. AND ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS. SO, BILL, ARE YOU ALSO SAYING THAT FOR THE 50,000 THAT WE USE IN PARKS AND RECREATION TO CLEAN UP THE PARK AFTER THAT, THAT WAS ALSO AN OVERTIME? YES. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THEIR REGULAR DUTIES. AND THEN DEPENDING UPON, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IS THE LANDSCAPERS COMING IN AND TAKING CARE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS CREW DOESN'T ACTUALLY MOW, BLOW AND GO. THEY THEY ARE DOING ELECTRICAL, THEY'RE DOING PLUMBING. THEY'RE DOING ALL KINDS OF. THAT IS CORRECT. ONE THING I COULD ADD IS THAT WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW ERP SYSTEM FOR ACCOUNTING, THE TYLER MUNIS SHOULD HAVE STATISTICAL PROJECT CAPABILITIES, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE COULD HAVE A STATISTICAL PROJECT THAT WOULDN'T BILL TO SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS, BUT TRACK IT ALL IN ONE PLACE SO THAT YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS OF THE EVENTS ARE FOR SALARIES AND BENEFITS OVER TIME. AND, AND BECAUSE I'M IT'S GOING UP A BIT, GUYS. I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, LET'S JUST PUT ASIDE WE'RE 400,000 RIGHT FROM WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY. AND I'M THINKING THAT WHEN WE WENT INTO THE ACTUALS FOR THIS YEAR, ARE WE ALSO THEN LOOKING AT COMPARING THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TRY TO TIE IT IN SO THAT WE'RE STILL KIND OF THEY'RE STILL KIND OF MEANING.

SO AND WHEN WE CLOSE OUT 2024, 2025, THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE ALREADY STARTED, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE TRY TO GO DOWN IN SOME OF THE WE TRY TO BRING IT DOWN. I WAS I WAS HERE FOR THE 2022, NO. IT'S 2324 BUDGET. AND THAT WAS THE YEAR WE KIND OF FROZE THINGS. WE DIDN'T HIRE ANYBODY. AND I TRIED TO HOLD THE LINE AND WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT. AND THEN YOU SAW A HUGE INCREASE IN 2425 WHEN I WAS MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT THEY'D DONE AND WHAT THEY'D SPENT, I WENT INTO, WHY DID THIS GO UP SO MUCH? YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE REBRANDING FOR THE PIO. IT'S LIKE, NO, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT ON THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ADVERTISING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WHERE WE'RE DOING THE BILLBOARDS AND THINGS. OKAY. THAT CONTINUES. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY HERE WHEN I WAS IN 2020, AND I DIDN'T GET ALL THE DETAIL BECAUSE I HAD JUST GOTTEN HERE IN 23, 24 TO PUT THE TOGETHER THE BUDGET. SO I WASN'T ABLE TO DO AS IN-DEPTH A DIVE AS I DID THIS TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENTS. SO I TRIED TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE, AND IF THERE WAS A MASSIVE JUMP FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, AND I TRIED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM AS TO WHY AND IF IT WAS NEEDED AND WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED WITH IT, WHEN I MET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY. AND SO LISTEN GUYS, THIS IS WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS THAT WAY. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL THAT I'M TARGETING EVENTS. AND NO, I IN NO WAY IS THAT TRUE.

BUT SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT EVENTS AREN'T TRACKED THE WAY IT COMES UP HERE. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. SO YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, THE MECHANISM IN HOW YOU TRACK THE ACCOUNTING PORTION OF IT, RIGHT. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU

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KNOW, BENEFITS AND SALARIES GET LUMPED UP TOGETHER. AND FOR AUDITING PURPOSES YOU DON'T ADD IT INTO AN EVENT LINE. IT HAS TO BE ACTUALS. RIGHT. THE. IN THIS NEW TYLER SYSTEM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKOUT RIGHT. COULD YOU? I NEVER SHOULD HAVE SINCE IT IS A NEWER SYSTEM.

IT SHOULD HAVE A STATISTICAL PROJECT CAPABILITY WHERE YOU PUT IN A PROJECT, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MOVE THE MONEY INTO A SEPARATE PROJECT FUND. IT KEEPS IT IN THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY OCCUR. BUT YOU CAN RUN A REPORT THAT TELLS YOU THIS WAS THE TOTAL SALARIES OR OVERTIME. SO IT'S LIKE USING LIKE COST CODE KIND OF METHOD, RIGHT? WHERE YOU, YOU GIVE IT THAT, THAT CODE AND ANYTHING THAT'S CHARGES ONTO THAT CODE STAYS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. BUT IT'LL HIT THAT PROJECT. SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, I WANT TO PULL THIS PROJECT OR THIS WHATEVER. AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THE ENTIRE ENTIRE COST OF IT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT COST ACCOUNTING STYLE. OKAY. YEAH. IT'D BE LIKE AN OBJECT CODE. SO EVERY, EVERY EVENT COULD BE AN OBJECT. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE 16 IS THE 16TH AND 17 WOULD BE THE TACO EVENT AND 18 WOULD BE. AND THEN YOU CAN RUN A REPORT, A CUSTOM REPORT, GIVE ME ALL THE SEVENTEENTHS, GIVE ME ALL THE EIGHTEENS OKAY. AND WOULD IT GIVE US THE TOTAL COST OF WHAT AN EVENT ACTUALLY COST WOULD.

BUT WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT YET. WE'RE JUST IMPLEMENTING RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE.

BUT WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN IN THE PAST, THOUGH, THAT THE COST OF EVENT WAS NOT ON PAGE 99. THERE WAS THERE WAS A LOT MORE TO IT. AND SO AND I SEEN SOME SMILES WHEN I ASK. BUT THIS IT'S ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THESE NUMBERS. THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR US AND I MEAN US AS CITY COUNCIL, AND WE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO ASK ABOUT WHAT THE TRUE NUMBERS ARE. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUDGET. SO THIS SHOULD BE QUESTIONS THAT THAT THAT WE ASK AS CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ALSO TO, TO WHERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN THESE EVENTS. AND NO, IN NO WAY IS THIS FINANCE FAULT EITHER. IN NO WAY, BECAUSE IT JUST BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PERSONNEL, IT FALLS UNDER THAT DEPARTMENT. IF IT'S PARKS AND RECREATION, PARKS AND RECREATION, THEN IT'S DIFFERENT FROM PUBLIC WORKS. SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS THAT IT'S DIVVIED UP IN, INTO. SO, YOU KNOW, IN NO WAY IS THAT FINANCES, RESPONSIBILITY OR FAULT THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE THESE NUMBERS. THIS IS WHY I ASKED TO PULL IT UP, BECAUSE I'M I UNDERSTAND IT A BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS AND THE TRUE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SPENDING. AND SO AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME SMILES, BUT IT IS IT'S CRITICAL. IT'S ABSOLUTELY OUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, GUYS, FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, IT'S CLOSE TO 700,000. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT A LOT OF THIS COMES IN OVERTIME. SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR LIKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 40 MINIMUM I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LOS MUERTOS. THAT'S THE ONLY EVENT THAT I KNOW. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER ONE I CAN GO TO. WE SAID $20,000 IN OVERTIME AS WELL THERE. SO THAT NUMBER HERE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE $680,000, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OVERTIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. SO BECAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE OVERTIME, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT AT LEAST ANOTHER 100, 100 K THERE. I'M THINKING AT LEAST POSSIBLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PERSONNEL OVERTIME AND THEN WHATEVER GOES INTO OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO SET UP, AND I KNOW I'M PROBABLY THE 4TH OF JULY IS PROBABLY A BIG EVENT FOR US THAT WE'RE SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF, OF MONEY AS WELL. RIGHT. AND CHRISTMAS AND CHRISTMAS. YEAH.

SO ONE CHRISTMAS HERE IS, IS 160,000. THAT'S A STAR. THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO IT. RIGHT. THAT DOES INCLUDE OVERTIME. THAT DOES INCLUDE LIGHTING. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT DOES INCLUDE THE LIGHTING PIECE OF IT. IN FACT THAT'S WHAT WE CUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NEW LIGHTS THAT ARE OUT ON SIXTH. BUT THEN I GUESS LAST YEAR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE DID IT, BUT WE HAD I UNDERSTAND IT WAS VERY COOL, BUT IT WAS LIKE A SYNCHRONIZED LIGHT THING THAT WOULD GO TO MUSIC AND IT WOULD DO THIS THING, BUT THAT IS COOL. I THINK WE PAID ALMOST 50 SOMETHING THOUSAND FOR IT. SO. SO IT'S NOT THE IT'S NOT IS THAT THE DOWNTOWN LIGHTING BILL, THE ONE HERE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL? NO, THAT THAT THAT OUR STAFF PUTS THAT UP. I THINK THAT THE YEAH WE DO THE TREE AND PUT THE ORNAMENTS UP AND DO ALL OF THAT. BUT THIS WAS I DID NOT GET TO SEE IT UNFORTUNATELY. BUT I HEARD IT WAS PRETTY AWESOME BUT VERY EXPENSIVE. COUNCILMEMBER,

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DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING. THAT'S THAT THAT THE ARCH AND STUFF THAT WAS THERE, I KNOW IS THAT ARCH RIGHT. AND EVERYTHING LIKE WHEN YOU COME DOWNTOWN AND THEN ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. OKAY. SO THEN ALL RIGHT, SO FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE WE'RE LOOKING AT 160 K HERE GUYS. AND I KNOW WE BROUGHT IT DOWN. IT'S NOT THE TRUE NUMBER. WE BROUGHT IT DOWN.

WE REMOVED 50 K. SO WE'RE NOW AT 110 K. THEY'RE 100 I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO 60 IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT ON THAT LIGHTING. WE'RE DOWN TO 60,100 100 100,000. AND THEN SO NOT INCLUDING THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE OVERTIME AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING. AND SO HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING AT MAYBE FOR THE TOTAL OF THAT EVENT. SORRY GUYS. IT'S TOUGH WITH NOT HAVING MIRZA HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE SHE DEPLOYS. I MEAN, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHEN I WAS HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE I'M SURE WE STILL DO THE SNOW THING. WE HAVE THE TRAIN RUNNING AROUND, WE'RE STILL FEEDING PEOPLE. THE PARADE IS THE EXPENSIVE PIECE OF IT. THE PARADE, STAFFING AND BARRICADES AND ALL OF THAT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THAT'S NOT INCLUDING HOW MUCH WE'RE CONTRACTING OUT FOR THAT PARADE. WE'RE WE'RE CONTRACTING. WE HAVE TO BE CONTRACTING OUT FOR THAT PARADE, TOO. WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, STAFF ALONE. THERE HAS TO BE SPECIALIZED THINGS THAT WE NEED. SO WHEN I GO BACK TO THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT NUMBER, WHERE WE'RE AT 2 MILLION GUYS, I KNOW THERE'S SOME, I KNOW THERE'S SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDED IT BECAUSE WE WENT HEAVY WITH THE GRANTS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE HOUSING ELEMENT. WE HAVE ALL THIS STUFF THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. I KNOW ENGINEERING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENGINEERING REALLY BUSY OVER THERE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE ENGINEERING SERVICES THAT THEY NEED UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER EXTRA STUFF IN THERE AS WELL. THERE IS. AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHERE CAN WE CUT AND STUFF THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE CRITICAL OR PRIORITIES WITHIN DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. BUT I DO NOT THINK THAT WHEN THE BUDGETS WERE BEING ADDRESSED, IT WAS THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT OUR FORMER DIRECTOR THAT IT'S ALWAYS SAID YES. SO WHETHER THERE WAS BUDGET OR NOT OR WHATEVER HAPPENED, WE WOULD GET THINGS DONE. WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE'D GO OVER BUDGET ON LINE ITEMS, AND SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT WAS IN THE BUDGET THAT IT WAS THERE, BUT WE WOULD PROCURE ANYHOW. SO THEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS AND THIS IS WHERE I'M GETTING TO, THE NEXT POINT IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER GUYS FOR THE $41 MILLION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THEN THE OVERTIME THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY INCLUDE IN HERE? THERE IS OVERTIME IN THERE, BUT WE ALWAYS GO OVER BUDGET ON OVERTIME. IN THE PAST THE I CAN SET MY WATCH TO IT. OKAY. SO HERE'S MY HERE'S MY OTHER POINT TO THAT. IF WE'RE OVER BUDGETING FOR OVERTIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE. RIGHT? I THINK HE WAS SAYING WE KNOW JUST THE OPPOSITE. WE ACTUALLY KNOW WE WOULD BUDGET 200,000 AND WE'D SPEND 350 IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THE SAME THING WHEN THIS BUDGET WAS PUT TOGETHER, IT WAS THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST THE WAY WE OPERATE. BECAUSE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SIGN UP FOR EVENT OR WHAT THE TURNOUT IS GOING TO BE, OR IF THERE'S A CONTINGENCY YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR THE NECESSARILY UNEXPECTED. SO WE WOULD ALWAYS BE OVER BUDGET. I SEE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WE'RE GOING OVER BUDGET, WE'RE NOT OVER BUDGETING, WE'RE GOING OVER BUDGET, WE'RE GOING OVER BUDGET. SO BACK TO THE $41 MILLION. AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE OVERTIME FOR THE FOR THE ACTUALS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR PRIOR. THEN WE WENT OVER THE BUDGET MORE THAN WE HAD BUDGETED FOR. THAT WAS VERY TYPICAL. WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THIS YEAR YET, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN. SO THEN, SO THEN AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I'M GETTING AND BREAKING DOWN THESE NUMBERS. YEAH. BEFORE REVENUE AND EXPENSE ACCRUALS FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE A 60 DAY LOOKBACK, WE ARE NOT DOING TOO BAD RIGHT NOW, BUT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE COMING IN VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES THAT ARE GOING TO GO OUT THE DOOR BASED ON WORK DONE BY JUNE 30TH, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NET LOSS, WHETHER IT'S 2 MILLION, 3 MILLION OR 4 MILLION IS YET TO BE SEEN, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A LOSS FOR 24, 25, 25. I SEE WHAT

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YOU'RE SAYING. SO WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE EXACT NUMBERS YET. CORRECT? RIGHT. I CAN ESTIMATE SOME, BUT I COULDN'T EVEN THROW A DART AT THE DART BOARD AND NECESSARILY BE THAT ACCURATE YET. ALL RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS I'M GOING TO MY NEXT QUESTION IS THAT WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE SAID IS HEY INITIAL BUDGET FOR THIS INCOMING OR THE STARTING THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'RE AT 41 MILLION. CORRECT. AND THEN SO WITH THESE EVENTS, WITH THESE EVENTS, THEN, THEN WE'RE SAYING THEN, THEN WITH THE OVERTIME ASSOCIATED WITH THESE EVENTS, NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAYBE CLOSER TO 42, MAYBE. RIGHT. IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. PLUS WE BUDGETED FOR MANY THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY ON. SO IT GOING TO LOOK ON PAPER THAT WE CAME IN UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE WE DID A BUNCH OF APPROPRIATIONS WITHOUT ACTUALLY ATTACHING PROJECTS TO THEM. THEY WERE UNASSIGNED. YEAH. SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE DID OKAY BUDGETING, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE MANY, MANY ADJUSTMENTS, WE WEREN'T. AND IT'D BE BEST TO LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS AND THEN SEE WHERE WE ENDED UP. AND ALL RIGHT, SO THEN GUYS, THEN WHAT DO WE DO HERE? SO WE SAY, HEY, $41 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING FOR 2526. BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE EVENTS OVERTIME OR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED. SO THEN WHAT DO WE SAY. HEY, THE ACTUAL IS THIS IS THIS AMOUNT THIS IS WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR. YOU CAN'T GO OVER THAT AMOUNT.

AND IF WE SAY YOU CAN'T GO OVER THAT, THEN THERE GOES EVENTS. THERE'S NEVER BEEN A HARD AND FAST LINE AS FAR AS BUDGET CONTROL GOES AT THE CITY. THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, AND WE USED TO FOCUS ON BY DEPARTMENT. IF YOU CAME IN WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, WHETHER WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT LINE ITEMS, IT WAS IN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. AND TYPICALLY YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS BEING UNDER BUDGET AND CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS BEING OVER BUDGET.

BUT WHEN IT CAME TO OVERALL, WE KIND OF FELL WITHIN OUR RANGE. WE WERE OKAY UNTIL I THINK THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE THE YEAR THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, I THINK. BUT BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING ALSO, THOUGH, IS THAT SOMETIMES WE BUDGETED FOR THINGS THAT WE JUST DIDN'T USE COMPLETELY. AND THAT SAVES US. RIGHT? RIGHT. IT SAVES US. SO BUT WHY NOT GO INTO A SAVINGS THEN? MY POINT IS THAT, HEY, IF THERE'S SOME DEPARTMENTS OR ACCOUNTS THAT WE BUDGETED THIS MUCH FOR, BUT WE CAME IN UNDER, WE DIDN'T SPEND EVERYTHING THAT WE BUDGETED FOR IN THAT ACCOUNT. CORRECT. AND THEN SO OKAY, THAT'S A SAVINGS. WE NOW CAN KICK IT OVER. WELL IF IT'S UNASSIGNED WE CAN KICK IT OVER. IF NOT WELL BUT STILL IT'S BUILDING UP THERE. BUT THEN THEN WHY KEEP THEN. WOULDN'T IT BE A SAVINGS TO NOT THEN DO OVERTIME OR ANY OF THESE ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. YOU KNOW, WHY TRY TO BALANCE IT OUT? WHY NOT KNOWING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR? WHY NOT THEN START SAVING THERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PULLING FROM, YOU KNOW, UNASSIGNED OR WHEREVER ELSE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EVENTS YOU'RE TALKING FOR. I MEAN, IN ANYTHING, I'M USING EVENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T PUT THE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. IT'S GENERALLY IF YOU DON'T GO THAT WAY, YOU NEED MORE STAFF. YEAH, RIGHT. AND THE STAFF IS HIGHER TECHNICAL IN NATURE. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO END UP PAYING A PREMIUM TO GET STAFF THAT CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE TASKS. SO A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES COMES FROM. FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN THE STAFF HERE, THE MEETINGS, CONFERENCES AND TRAVEL, YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT 204,000, YOU HAVE A LOT OF STAFF THAT HAVE CERTIFICATIONS THAT HAVE TO DO CERTAIN CONTINUING PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION AND ATTEND CONFERENCES FOR THEIR PROFESSION, SO THAT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF THAT THAT HAS TO EXIST. OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU WANT. AND THAT TOOL FOR IS THAT INCLUDE THE TUITION REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS. RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE IN THAT? NO, THAT'S THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT IN THERE. IT'S NOT IN THERE. SO THAT'S JUST IN BENEFITS. BENEFITS OKAY. SO THE 204 IS STRICTLY CONFERENCES. SO LIKE I'M A WATER PROFESSIONAL IN THE CITY AND I NEED TO GO GET A CERT BECAUSE I NEED TO HAVE X, Y AND Z IN ORDER. AND IT'S PART OF THEIR JOB. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING THEM SENDING THEM ON THIS CONFERENCE. AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT LOCAL. RIGHT. IT'S LIKE LONG BEACH OR OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT.

RIGHT. AND SO OKAY. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. LIKE IT'S $204,000 AND IT'S LIKE WHERE IS THAT TRULY GOING? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A SURPLUS IN A, IN A BUDGETED LINE ITEM, YOU

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KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PRACTICE, RIGHT? SOME PEOPLE WILL KEEP THAT AND DON'T USE IT ANYWHERE ELSE AND LET OTHER LINE ITEMS GO INTO DEFICIT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE IT UP SOMEWHERE FROM THERE. BUT IT IS THE PRACTICE WHEN YOU HAVE A DEFICIT IN A LINE, IN A BUDGETED LINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SURPLUS AND ANOTHER ONE, ARE WE JUST ROLLING EVERYTHING UP? NO, YOU JUST YOU JUST NET IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE BUDGETED A MILLION AND WE SPENT 900,000, WE GOT A $100,000 SURPLUS THAT GOES BACK INTO FUND BALANCE. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN LINCOLN ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER. WE HAD SOMETHING VERY STRANGE HAPPEN THIS YEAR THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND, AND THAT IS POLICE AND FIRE BOTH WENT OVER BUDGET AND NORMALLY THEY NEVER DO.

THEY'RE ALWAYS UNDER AND THEY WERE OVER BUDGET THIS YEAR BY YOU KNOW SIGNIFICANT. YEAH. YEAH A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. SO THEREFORE WHEN EVEN THOUGH OUR BUDGET'S GOING TO LOOK OKAY, OUR EXPENDITURE BUDGET'S GOING TO BE LIKE 44 MILLION, WE ONLY SPENT 39 MILLION. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB BUDGETING. BUT THEN WE HAD A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT WE ENDED UP APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR. IT'S AN ANOMALY AND IT'S NOT REAL. IT'S SMOKE AND MIRRORS KIND OF. BECAUSE IF YOU'D HAVE TAKEN THOSE ADJUSTMENTS OUT, OUR BUDGET WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER BUDGET. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE HAVE AUDIT FINDING AND, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF STUFF. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DID BUDGET IT JUST WE BUDGETED FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO AND WE SPENT IT IN ANOTHER PLACE. CORRECT.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. AND THE LEVEL OF BUDGETARY CONTROL FOR BANNING IS AT THE FUND LEVEL. SO AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO OVER IT, THE ENTIRE FUND, COACHELLA. YOU SAID BANNING. OH DON'T WORRY, I DID IT FOR LIKE THE FIRST MONTH. SORRY. IS THAT THE FUND LEVEL? SO YOU CAN GO OVER ON DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE UNDER ON THE ENTIRE FUND, THEN IT IT IT PASSES AN AUDIT. IF WE NEED TO INCREASE APPROPRIATIONS AT THE FUND LEVEL, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. I MY FIRST JOB WAS A I WAS A STORE INVENTORY CONTROLLER. RIGHT. AND I WAS PROMOTED AND I HAD 19 STORES. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, IT WAS ALWAYS SOMEWHERE OVER, SOMEWHERE UNDER SOMEWHERE AND THAT SOMEWHERE. AND SO WHEN I DID THAT AND I WOULDN'T EVEN, I WOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER WITH IT BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST KIND OF NETTING EACH OTHER OUT. AND I WAS I WASN'T ADDRESSING THE TRUE SHORTAGES IN SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT AFTER LIKE TWO YEARS, IT WOULD JUST BALANCE OUT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO BALANCE OUT. I WOULD ONLY LOOK AT OR GO AFTER BIG NUMBERS, WHICH I KNEW THAT THERE WAS LIKE THEN SHORTAGES THAT WERE OPERATIONAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE BIG THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M BREAKING DOWN ALL THESE NUMBERS. YES. SO WHAT WE'RE SAVING IN CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE OF WE'RE GOING INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERTIME, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF STUFF. THEN, THEN IT'S JUST KIND OF BALANCING ITSELF OUT. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING IT BECAUSE I WANT SAVINGS TO BE SAVINGS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW. HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW DO WE MAKE THEM TRUE SAVINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO DIP INTO SOME OF THESE OVERAGES? YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE BE MORE CONSERVATIVE MOVING FORWARD WHILE STILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING QUALITY OF SERVICES TO COACHELLA RESIDENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR STAFF HAS A SUPPORT AND THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE THEN, YOU KNOW, START BEING MORE CONSERVATIVE AS WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LAST YEAR THE CITY HAD A BALANCED BUDGET AT ADOPTION AND THEN THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WERE DONE THAT MOVED THAT NET LOSS TO 4.5 MILLION. SO ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS WHEN AN APPROPRIATION REQUEST COMES FOR THE GENERAL FUND, LIKE, HOW IS THIS BEING PAID FOR? IS THIS GOING TO SUBTRACT FROM OUR, YOU KNOW, NET POSITION AT THE END OF THE YEAR? ARE OUR NET INCOME OR LOSS, AND WHAT WILL THE IMPACT BE? BECAUSE THE GOAL IS THAT THE FINAL ADJUSTED BUDGET IS BREAK EVEN. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, HEY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTUAL NUMBER IN 2024 AND 2025 AND 24 IS ACTUALS. SO 25, 20, 25, 25. SO AND THEN WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A JUMP THERE. YOU KNOW POTENTIALLY. RIGHT. YEAH. AND MY BACK OF THE NAPKIN GUESS WAS AROUND 2 TO 2.5 MILLION NET LOSS. BILL THINKS I'M A LITTLE TOO OPTIMISTIC. BUT WE SHALL SEE. OKAY. SO THEN IF WE'RE THEN WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE MIGHT BE HAVING A 200 K, MAYBE BETTER OFF THAN WE.

ADDITIONALLY ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED FROM THE ADJUSTED BUDGET OF THE 4 MILLION, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IT COULD BE TECHNICALLY. WHERE WAS THAT? YEAH. 37 3 TO 42 ONE. THAT'S 4.9

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APPROXIMATELY MILLION THAT IS BUDGETED NET LOSS. IF WE IF WE ARE ABLE TO CUT THAT TO -2.5 MILLION, THAT'S LIKE ALMOST A $2.5 MILLION BETTER THAN THE ENDING BUDGET. FOR THE GUYS FOR THE CANNABIS. JUST SO THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, WHOSE DO WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S IN THE CANNABIS ON THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST IS STILL WORKING IN THE CANNABIS PIECE OF IT, YES. BUT THEN WE HAVE TWO EXPENSES. WE HAVE THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST, AND THEN WE HAVE THE CANNABIS. SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING BOTH. AND SOME OF HER TIME IS CHARGED TO THE CANNABIS GRANT. I LIKE 300, 400,000. NO, NO NO NO. IS THAT THE REVENUE. NO, NO THE REVENUE. WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE COME DOWN QUITE A BIT IN THE, IN THE REVENUE I THINK I HIGHLIGHTED IT HERE. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO I SEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CANNABIS YOU'RE LOOKING AT 163,000. THAT'S SALARY SALARY AND BENEFITS. YES. BUT THEN WE ALSO THEN HAVE IT UNDER. THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST AS WELL DON'T WE. HER POSITION IS SPLIT BETWEEN THE FUNDS MANAGEMENT ANALYST AND THEN. WELL SHE IS A MANAGEMENT ANALYST. BUT HER TIME IS ALLOCATED TO TWO PLACES CANNABIS AND THEN PLANNING AND THEN. BUT WHAT'S THE TOTAL OF THAT ALTOGETHER. WHAT'S THE TOTAL OF THAT ALTOGETHER. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. IT'S LIKE A PERCENTAGE RIGHT. IT'S. YEAH. AND IT DEPENDS UPON HOW MUCH THE GRANT IS FUNDING. THE GRANT NORMALLY FUNDS. I DON'T KNOW I KNOW I, I DON'T KNOW IF AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M, I'M INQUIRING ABOUT IT AS WELL IS SO THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT SOME POINT THAT CANNABIS GRANT WAS DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE TO LEAVE FOR? OH, I'M SO SORRY. DID YOU WANT TO I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE POINTS OF WHERE MY BIG QUESTION THOUGH IS. OKAY, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BUDGET NOW AND A YEAR FROM NOW, AND WE'RE STILL IN A NOT A ROCKY PLACE. IS THIS GOING TO BE A SIMILAR PICTURE IN 2026, OR IS IT GOING TO BE A. IT COULD BE OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. LIKE POTENTIALLY LIKE WE CAN BE HERE AGAIN. I KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT. WE KNOW THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO GO. YEAH. SO WE KNOW THAT TO GET OVER ANYHOW. YEAH. AND SO WE AND SO I THINK THE BIG THE MY COMMENTS ARE YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHEN WE START THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR AND WE'RE ALREADY IN IT, WE'RE ALREADY A MONTH IN ALMOST TOMORROW REALLY SEEING WHAT THOSE TRENDS ARE. RIGHT. AND I THINK LOOKING AT WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO TEM DELGADO'S IS WHERE THAT OVERTIME IS LOOKING AT AND, AND REALLY SAYING, ARE WE TRULY IS THAT NEEDED RIGHT FOR THE CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT NEED THAT OVERTIME. AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WORK IT OR SHIFT IT AROUND AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT WORK SO THAT WE STILL HAVE THOSE CORE SERVICES AND MAYBE WE JUST HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN THAT SENSE. RIGHT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO HEARING WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ENDS UP DECIDING, REALLY, ARE THEY GOING TO WANT THOSE THREE OPTIONS, OR IS IT ONLY, LIKE YOU SAID, THE JUST THE FIRST TWO WOULD MAKE A BALANCED BUDGET? LIKE YOU SAID WE WOULDN'T. THE OTHER ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIRE INSPECTORS TRULY CAN PAY FOR THEMSELVES LONG TERM. SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE TO BE SEEN. YEAH. SO SEEING IS IT POSSIBLE OR NOT. SO BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. WE JUST HAD THAT FIRE LAST WEEKEND AND SEE THE OVERTIME. WE HAD A BUNCH OF OVERTIME ON THAT FIRE BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT UP BARRICADES. WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF TRAFFIC, WE HAD TO DO. AND SO OVERTIME IS NOT GOING TO BE AVOIDED COMPLETELY. YES, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON EVENTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CHOOSE TO DO, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERTIME JUST RESPONDING TO STUFF ON WEEKENDS. AND I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT OVERTIME IS IT'S UNSEEN, RIGHT? I SAW SMOKE STACK SMOKE AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON AND I WAS LIKE, OH, HERE WE GO AGAIN. ANOTHER FIRE. AND IN THE SAME VICINITY. AND THAT OVERTIME, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S UNFORESEEN OVERTIME OR HURRICANE HILARY

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HAPPENS AGAIN. AND SO AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MANAGE. RIGHT. AND YOU WORK AND MAKE SURE YOU CAN REALLOCATE INCOME DO MIDYEAR. AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE NATURAL DISASTERS THAT NONE OF US KNOW WILL HAPPEN, AND THEY JUST HAPPEN IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE. AND A FIRE CAN START NEXT WEEK WHEN A THUNDERSTORM HITS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? LIKE JUST SAYING RIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THAT, THAT OVERTIME. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OVERTIME THAT CAN BE FORCED. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS THAT YOU CAN PREPARE FOR AND, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND ADJUST THE THINGS YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THAT ARE, IN A WORD, MAN MADE RIGHT AND NOT NOT NATURAL IN THE PIECES OF THAT. SO AND WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE CITY STAFF AND BILL AND THE CITY STAFF THAT DID A GREAT JOB WITH MANAGING THAT FIRE, ESPECIALLY KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE SO THAT I NEED TO HEAD OUT. HAD A PRE-PLANNED EVENT THAT I HAVE TO ATTEND TO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER, FOR. YEAH. SO PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER FIGUEROA SAID AND MYSELF IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GO FORWARD, BE MORE, MORE CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT'S A TOUGH DECISION. AND I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH TO MANAGE AND NAVIGATE THROUGH. AND I THINK A LOT OF THOSE I THINK THE OVERTIME FOR FIRE AND POLICE, I THINK DOES THAT GO UNDER EMERGENCY SERVICES. NO THAT'S CHARGE OF THE DEPARTMENTS. SO CODE HAS TO RESPOND OR OR EVEN STREET STAFF. THEY IT'S THEIR OVERTIME. YOU KNOW IF WE IF WE GET CALLED OUT TO WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER PEREZ WAS WORKING THAT CONSTANTLY YOU KNOW YOU CALL IT STREET STAFF BECAUSE THEY GOT TO SHUT DOWN A ROAD OR DO SOMETHING. AND SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BEING CALLED I GOT IT. SO WE HAVE A LOT TO LOOK AT HERE. ONE THING I WILL SAY THE CITY DOESN'T ROLL EXPENDITURES OR ENCUMBRANCES AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR THAT AREN'T SPENT. THEY HAVE TO BE BUDGETED THE NEXT YEAR. IDEALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME SAVINGS AT THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT FROM YOUR BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE APPROPRIATED IT AND YOU WILL HAVE ENCUMBERED IT. BUT IF IT'S IF THE WORK'S NOT DONE BY JUNE 30TH, IT TECHNICALLY NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN BUT THEN WHAT? AND THEN WHEN WE GO BACK TO THAT, LIKE IF IT NEEDS TO BE BUDGETED, THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THAT OVERTIME OR THESE ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WE NEED, THEN IT KIND OF BRINGS THAT NET BACK IN. WE, WE START ANEW. THERE'S SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS WHERE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON A PROJECT WHERE WE'LL TAKE THE PO AND WE'LL ROLL IT OVER AND THE BUDGET WILL COME WITH IT. BUT THEN I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN A DEPARTMENT'S ASKING FOR BUDGET, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SOMEBODY TRIED TO SNEAK IN THAT BUDGET AGAIN AND I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT IS THIS? AND IT'S LIKE, I ALREADY ROLLED OVER YOUR PURCHASE ORDER. YOU DON'T GET THIS AGAIN. SO WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT. SO WE I DO LOOK FOR THAT WHEN I'M WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS ON OUR BUDGET REQUEST, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STRESS WITH BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTORS AND NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WHEN WE STAFF EVENTS AND WE LOOK AT THINGS, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE BECOME COMFORTABLE AND WE JUST KIND OF DO THE SAME THING AGAIN.

AND, WELL, NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW FACE THERE AND LOOKING AT THE EVENT FOR THE FIRST TIME, I WANT TO ALSO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE STAFFING IT TOO, SO THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE A FREE FOR ALL. WE GOT 40 PEOPLE OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT TWO BY TWO STANDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR ONE WOULD JUST BE FINE. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT MOVING FORWARD, LOOKING AT STAFFING AND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. AND IT'S A NEW EYE ON IT. THANK YOU. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE WAYS THAT I'M THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BEING GOING INTO IT AND BEING MORE CONSERVATIVE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO I MEAN, AS WE GO IN AND TO SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS AS WE CAN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO FIND MYSELF HERE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR HAVING TO THEN TRY TO CUT BACK HERE AND WHETHER IT'S GOLDEN HANDSHAKES AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER I DON'T LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONNEL. AND THE REASON ALSO IS, IS THAT I THE REASON I WANTED A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE EVENTS, BECAUSE OUR UNION TEAMSTERS UNION HAS, HAS ASKED FOR IT. THEY WANT TO KNOW, AND RIGHTFULLY SO. THEY WANT TO SEE THOSE FINANCIALS, THEY WANT TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. AND SO I'M ALSO WANTING TO PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY REQUESTED IT. AND YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY AND BEING A GOOD PARTNER, I WANT TO SEE THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TOTALS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IT AS WELL. AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF PROTECTING, YOU KNOW, THEIR MEMBERS BY WANTING, YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS. SO IT'S WE HAVE A STACK OF PAPERS PROBABLY READY FOR THEM. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SORRY. I'M GONNA CHIME IN REALLY QUICKLY ON PAGE

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SEVEN WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MID-YEAR BUDGET FISCAL YEAR. WHY DO WE HAVE ON THERE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER? WHY IS IT ON THERE THAT CHANGES? THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE POLICE CONTRACT WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE POLICE CONTRACT, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT. AND SO IT WAS REQUESTED BY LIEUTENANT. I ASKED HIM TO PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE HAD PUT IT IN THERE BEFORE. AND SO AT THIS POINT, I DECIDED TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER OBSTACLES. AND THEN JUST WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. MAYBE THE TIMING ISN'T QUITE RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT THAT STAFF IS FOR OR AGAINST. I JUST WANT TO PULL IT OUT OF AN OPERATING BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S A ONE TIME HIT, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S CONTINUING EXPENSE AFTER THE FACT PAYING FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AS A ONE OFF ITEM AND NOT INCLUDING IT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. THAT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED, BECAUSE THAT HAD TO COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE.

RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. IT WOULD HAVE TO ANYWAY. EVEN IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THE CONTRACT WOULD COME FORWARD AND YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. AND THEN FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, JUST YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY POPULAR WITH, WITH OUR FAMILIES AND OUR KIDS. ONE BEING, I THINK, LIKE THE TRAIN THAT GOES AROUND, OBVIOUSLY, HOPEFULLY DON'T GET RID OF THAT.

SO JUST BE MINDFUL. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WE'RE IN A VERY, VERY, VERY TOUGH SITUATION. BUT I GUESS WHEN TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, JUST BE MINDFUL OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO. AND THEN TACO EVENT IS THAT THE TACOS? TEQUILA? YES. CAN WE CHANGE IT TO THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE OR READS A LITTLE. JUST RANDOM THERE. AND THEN MY OTHER QUICK COMMENTS ARE FOR VOLUNTEERING AND FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING OUT OUR COMMUNITY. A LOT OF I THINK OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT THEY DO THIS AND MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER IT AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, IS THERE ARE A LOT OF GROUPS, A LOT OF YOUTH GROUPS OUT THERE THAT WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN A LOT OF THESE EVENTS, HELPING, VOLUNTEERING. THEY GET VOLUNTEER HOURS FOR THEIR SCHOOL, FOR GRADUATION, ALL OF THAT. SO CONSIDER THAT ALSO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT STAFFING AND WHATNOT, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO DO EVERYTHING. AND YOU KNOW, BUT CONSIDER INVITING THEM AND THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, LIKE OUR YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL.

AND THEN I ALSO HAD THE OPHELIA PROJECT. THEIR THE YOUNG GIRLS, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING IN ANY EVENT THAT WE HAVE. SO WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THEM TO DO THAT. AND THEN THAT'S IT FOR ME, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT FEELING WELL, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE NOW BEFORE I FALL OVER HERE. BUT I APPRECIATE STAFF. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. WELCOME, LINCOLN. I THINK IT'S AMAZING THAT YOU'RE HERE WITH US. AND YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR RESUME AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASSISTING US. THANK YOU BILL. THANK YOU STAFF I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE. BUT APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. FEEL BETTER. THANK YOU. MY LAST QUESTION IS ARE WE STILL GETTING MONEY IN FOR THE CANNABIS GRANT? WE'RE STILL GETTING HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING? SELENA. IT WAS A 225,000. AND THEN FROM THE $225,000, CAN WE PUT THAT FOR THE CANNABIS EMPLOYEE OR DOES IT ALLOW YOU TO ALLOCATE 15% OF THE GRANT AMOUNT? SO WHATEVER PERCENT IS, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER 15% FOR THE TECHNICAL ADVISOR. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE TOWARDS. SOCIAL EQUITY LICENSE FEES AND SOCIAL EQUITY APPLICANTS. SO ARE WE SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN SAY 30%. WE CAN SAY THEN 30%, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE FOR THE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 20, 20, 20%.

AND THEN THAT'S IS THAT INCLUDED IN THAT 168 OR 1 86,000 WE'RE LOOKING AT? NO, THE EXPENSE WOULD BE SEPARATE. SO HER TOTAL COMPENSATION IS 168 WITH BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT WOULD COVER LIKE A THIRD A THIRD OF IT. SO THERE'S A TINY BIT OF SAVINGS THERE THAT WE ALSO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. YEAH I BELIEVE THE GRANT IS BUDGETED. IF NOT WE'LL MAKE SURE IT IS THE GRANTS

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BUDGETED. AND IT'S A TRANSFER IN THAT. YES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. AND I, I FEAR THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. I'M HOPING THAT OUR REVENUES AREN'T TAKING AS MUCH OF A DIP AS WE THINK THAT THEY ARE. I, I'M, I KNOW THAT THAT CANNABIS IS STRUGGLING A BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, CAN THEY COME UP. YOU KNOW, DO I THINK THEY CAN COME UP? I DO, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT BIG OF A JUMP FROM ONE YEAR TO ANOTHER THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT. RIGHT? SOME OF THAT DEBT AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, I JUST I HOPE THAT WE'RE BEING A BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE AND TRYING TO PROJECT HOW MUCH THOSE REVENUES ARE GOING TO TAKE A DIP AND THAT WE DON'T REALLY COME IN THAT MUCH UNDER THAN WE HOPEFULLY THE GOAL IS ALWAYS TO COME IN OVER ON REVENUES UNDER OUR EXPENDITURES. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WE'RE AT. SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. NO. JUST WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS BROUGHT UP FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO BE DONATED OR SPONSORED, THAT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL COST OR AN ESTIMATED COST OF WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE EVENT, EMPLOYEES AND EVERYTHING. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, BILL. MAYBE LOOKING AT WHAT THE PRIOR YEARS, HOW MANY STAFF WERE BEING USED, AND IF WE CAN CUT SOME OF THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, IN OVERTIME, I THINK THAT WILL SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY TOO. I KNOW THAT WHEN SO WORKS EVENTS LIKE THIS, THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR EXPLORERS COME OUT AND HELP, WHICH IT DOES HELP. AND IT ALSO GIVES THEM EXPERIENCE. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE CAN CUT BACK ON OVERTIME STAFF ON ON EVENTS, THAT MAYBE THAT WILL HELP TO BRING IN HELP WITH THE BUDGET. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SECURITY, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY YOU'RE YOU SAID THERE WAS A IT WAS ABOUT 700,000 K 700. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HE SAID, HEY, THAT'S TWO THAT'S IT'S TWO DEPUTIES, NOT COPS, BUT IT'S TWO DEPUTIES. THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE I MEAN, WE STILL NEED SECURITY IN CERTAIN PLACES, LIKE FOR THE PARKS. THEY NEED SECURITY. AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT, LIBRARY SYSTEMS AND SERVICES PROVIDED SECURITY. I THINK THAT CHANGED. SO LIBRARY SYSTEMS AND SERVICES USED TO PROVIDE SECURITY. AND THEN I THINK THAT ONCE THEY SEEN THAT WE PROVIDED SECURITY IN THAT HALLWAY, RIGHT. THEY ELIMINATED THEIRS. BUT MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THEM TO BRING BACK THAT SECURITY THAT THAT PATROLS OR THAT, YOU KNOW, IS LOOKING INTO THAT AREA THERE, TOO, BECAUSE HE WOULD JUST KIND OF WALK AND GO BACK IN. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND I CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY WOULD BEECAUSE THEY DO COVER SECURITY WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THE OTHER LIBRARIES. THEY DO PROVIDE SECURITY IN SOME OF THOSE LIBRARIES THAT THEY COVER. SO MAYBE THAT'S A POTENTIAL WHEN WE CAN BRING IT DOWN A BIT. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO DEPUTIES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPARISON. RIGHT. TO THE 700 K. HOW IS THAT? I THOUGHT HE WAS SAYING YOU'RE GETTING 13 PEOPLE FOR THE PRICE OF TWO. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE YEAH. BECAUSE IF WE. YEAH. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A LOT OF BANG FOR OUR BUCK OUR WISE. SO YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A MUCH LESS BY HIRING A PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY THAN HIRING. SO MORE DEPUTIES. SO ONE AND TWO TO OUR SOULS DEFENSE A PATROL DEPUTY CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, AT THE PARKS, AT THE LIBRARY, AT THE SENIOR CENTER ALL AT ONE TIME. IT DOES NOT. THEY DO IT BY BEATS, BUT SO WITH THAT, IT JUST. BILL, CAN WE REACH OUT TO LIBRARY SYSTEMS AND SERVICES AND SEE IF THEY CAN BRING BACK THAT SECURITY THAT THEY USED TO HAVE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO THEN PROVIDE FOR THAT ONE TO. AND THEN OF THE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE AT THE END, I KNOW THE MAYOR SAID HE LIKED ALL THREE.

THE OTHER TWO DIDN'T SAY, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PREFERENCE? I MEAN, FROM THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT IT FORWARD, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE CAN CUT FROM ANYWHERE ELSE. I MEAN, I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD BRING DOWN EVENTS. I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD BRING DOWN, LIKE, AN OVERTIME, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT ISN'T ACCOUNTED FOR THAT WAY. AND THAT'S CORRECT. AND AS STAFF GETS THEIR FEET UNDER THEM AND GET USED TO THEIR NEW POSITIONS AND SUPERVISING AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE EVENTS, NOT ONLY I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME EFFICIENCIES, BUT THEN WE'LL ALSO GET A BETTER GRASP OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE AS WELL, BECAUSE

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I WANT TO PUT THEM INTO THE BUDGET. I NEED TO KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? HEY, ANDREW, WHAT DID WE END UP DOING AT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE? HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE HERE? WE HAD TEN PEOPLE. HOW MANY HOURS DID THEY WORK? AND THEN WE CAN ACCUMULATE THAT STUFF. AND WHEN THE NEW ERP SYSTEM IS IN PLACE, TOO, WE CAN OBJECT CODE AND THEN WE CAN PULL CUSTOM REPORTS AND IT WILL TELL US AS WELL. SO BUT WE'RE PROBABLY TWO YEARS OFF BEFORE THAT'S ACTUALLY UP AND GOING. SO YEAH. AND SO I KNOW FROM FOR ANDREW YOU HAVE A LOT OF LEARNING TO DO. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO SO MANY DEPARTMENTS. BUT SO I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD DO SOME THAT WE CAN CUT BACK IN SOME OF THE OVERTIME. BUT BECAUSE THE OVERTIME ISN'T ACTUALLY PUT INTO THE BUDGET, IT JUST GOES IN OVER THE BUDGET, THEN WE REALLY CAN'T CUT THERE. NOT REALLY. NO. ALL RIGHT. SO. WELL, I MEAN, I NEED I MEAN I THINK THAT YOU HAD THE THREE THERE ALREADY. I THINK WE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE'LL BRING YOU BACK THE BUDGET NEXT WEEK FOR ADOPTION. AND WE CAN STILL BE ON THE FLY. WE CAN STILL GET CONSENSUS. WE KNOW WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE SO WE CAN ADJUST. WE CAN ADOPT A BUDGET AND THEN ADJUST AFTER THE FACT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE CLERICAL CHANGES SO WE CAN DO THAT. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO KNOW.

WE KNOW THAT WITH TWO THINGS WE CAN BALANCE WITH THREE, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A SURPLUS. HERE'S HERE'S MY FEAR THOUGH, GUYS FOR THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES IS THAT WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. THAT'S NOT BRINGING ANY ADDITIONAL. SO WE'RE WE'RE FREEZING THIS AMOUNT OF POSITIONS. RIGHT. THERE'S WHAT ARE WE. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY THEY THEY RETIRE AND THEN YOU DON'T FILL THE POSITION. AND THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE SAVINGS. BUT SOME POSITIONS YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE. AND SO THERE'S AN INCREMENTAL SAVINGS BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY BE AT TOP STEP. AND THEN YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN AT B STEP OR C STEP AND YOU'LL BE SAVING SOME INCREMENTAL MONEY, BUT NOT AS IF THE POSITION WAS OPEN. NO. RIGHT. BUT WHAT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO GUYS IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOSING SOME OF THESE, WE'RE LOSING SENIORS. AND SO EVEN THOSE WHO ARE COMING IN AT THE FIRST STEP DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF THAT PERSON WHO'S COMING IN AT THE FOURTH STEP. SO I GUESS MY POINT TO THAT IS THAT IF WE HAVE COMING ANYBODY IN COMING AT THE FIRST STEP, THEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO THEN CONTRACT ANY SERVICES OUT TO HELP THAT EMPLOYEE OUT? BECAUSE WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE. SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE'VE LOST SOME OF OR NOT LOST SOME OF OUR SENIORS HAVE GONE ON TO, YOU KNOW, SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEY WENT TO OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THEIR THEN POSITION HAD TO BE DIVVIED UP BETWEEN MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. IS THAT THE $250,000 IS ACTUALLY A $250,000 SAVINGS. SO THERE IS ALSO, IF YOU'RE REPLACING THE POSITION, YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT A THREE MONTH OR FOUR MONTH SAVINGS BECAUSE THERE IS THE TIME TO RECRUIT AND HIRE A PERSON AND GET THEM ONBOARDED. OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE QUALIFIED, IF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM CHOSE IT AND WE HIRED EVERY SINGLE POSITION AS FAST AS WE COULD, THE SAVINGS IN THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE 500,000. AND THE IF THE EVERYONE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AND NONE OF THEM WERE REPLACED, IT WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION A YEAR. EITHER WAY, IT PAYS FOR ITSELF FROM THE ACTUARIAL COST. IN THE FIRST YEAR, I WOULD ASSUME ONLY SOME WOULD CHOOSE IT, SOME WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED, AND SOME COULD BE HELD VACANT. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH AN ESTIMATED SAVINGS OF 250 A YEAR. RIGHT NOW. AND THEN, BILL, WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU CONSIDERING THEN OPENING UP THOSE POSITIONS AND RECRUITING FOR THOSE WHO TAKE WHO THOSE YOU KNOW THIS SHOULD BE? IT WOULD DEPEND UPON THE POSITION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO TAKE IT. I THINK THERE'S LIKE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT, BUT AT THAT POINT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE TIME BEFORE THEY RETIRE. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD BE RETIRING BY DECEMBER 30TH, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO OPEN UP A RECRUITMENT.

SUPPOSE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A PROFESSIONAL POSITION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. IT'S GOT TO BE HERE. IT WOULD TAKE TWO MONTHS TO THREE MONTHS TO HIRE THAT PERSON. WE'VE BEEN VERY WE'VE DONE WELL WITH OUR HIRING RIGHT NOW. WE'VE HAD GREAT CANDIDATES. LUCKY GETTING LINCOLN COMING OVER WITH US. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS THAT LUCKY, THOUGH. IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET A STRONG FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS UPON THE POSITION AND JOB CONDITIONS. BUT I KNOW THAT

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THE JOB MARKET IS NOT IMPROVING, SO THAT SHOULD HAVE MORE CANDIDATES AVAILABLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS UPON WHO TAKES IT AND WHO DOESN'T. OKAY. THEN THEN WHAT I DO ASK IS THAT THAT WE THEN BE MINDFUL THOUGH, IS THAT IS THAT WHEN IF THIS SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT WHEN WE'RE RECRUITING AND OBVIOUSLY I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY OF US KNOWING WHETHER SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME IN AND HOW MUCH EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. AND WE ALSO IF SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, GREAT, IF THERE'S A GREAT POTENTIAL IN ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING OFFERED STEP TWO OR STEP THREE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT OF A SAVINGS IS IT GOING TO BE EITHER, IF WE'RE HAVING SOMEBODY WHO'S LEAVING AT STEP FOUR, BUT WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE ARE COMING IN AT STEP THREE, YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW ONE THING THOUGH, IS A LOT OF THESE EMPLOYEES WILL BE COMING IN UNDER PEPRA, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE PENSION REFORM ACT OF 2013. SO THE PENSION COST WOULD BE LOWER. WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THOSE PENSION COSTS TO GET OUT OF CONTROL LIKE SOME OF THE CLASSIC. MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE INCREASING PENSION COSTS UNTIL 2034. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN FOR THE JOBS THAT WE'RE NO LONGER THAT WE FROZE, THAT WE'RE NOT FILLING FOR RIGHT NOW, NONE OF THOSE ARE CRITICAL POSITIONS THAT WE NEED. YEAH. IT DEPENDS UPON WHO YOU TALK TO. IF YOU'RE TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT LOST SOMEBODY IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, THEN YES. BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE KENDRA'S POSITION, THE PRINCIPAL PLANNER, THERE MAY BE A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL CONSULTING HELP, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH POWER AND NOT KNOWING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING MANY MORE HOMES IN A YEAR AND A HALF, DEPENDING UPON HOW SUCCESSFUL WE ARE WORKING WITH IDA AND OUR DEVELOPERS, I WOULD RATHER STAY NIMBLE WHERE I CAN HIRE A CONSULTANT, AND IF THINGS SLOW DOWN, THE CONSULTANT'S GONE AND I DON'T HAVE TO LAY SOMEBODY OFF. IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY. I MIGHT FEEL RIGHT NOW IS THE DEPARTMENT ARE WORKING WELL. WE'RE STILL GETTING USED TO WORKING WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT WE'RE FUNCTIONING WELL. WE'RE COMMUNICATING WELL. AND AS THOSE NEEDS ARISE, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM. BUT I LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT $2 MILLION NEXT YEAR FOR POLICE AND FIRE. I'M WORRIED ABOUT NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DO WE HAVE TO LAYOFF NEXT YEAR. DID REVENUES COME IN AT LESS THAN I THOUGHT THEY WERE? DID WE ACTUALLY HAVE A RECESSION? HOW MUCH IS THE FED'S ACTION GOING TO IMPACT OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND OUR ABILITY TO DRIVE REVENUES? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND, IT USED TO BE YOU'D GO IN TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND YOU'D SEE A LOT OF PAPER PLATES BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE THEIR NEW CARS, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF NEW CARS ON THE ROAD OUT HERE RIGHT NOW. AND SO THAT'S ALL GOING TO IMPACT US WITH THE MEASURE. YOU. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND I WANT TO I WANT TO AS WE CAN BY FREEZING POSITIONS. I DON'T WANT TO ADD BACK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO NEED THEM NEXT YEAR. SO IF THERE'S A POSITION THAT CAN BE FROZEN AND NOT ADDED BACK, IF WE DID THE GOLDEN HANDSHAKE, I DON'T WANT TO FILL THAT POSITION. SO IN THE ONE YEAR WHEN WE'RE BACK HERE, THAT'S WHEN THE WHERE OUR REVENUE IS WILL DICTATE WHETHER WE UNFREEZE THOSE POSITIONS OR NOT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. VERY GOOD. WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEK. WE WILL PUT TOGETHER THE EXPENDITURES AND ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WERE. IF WE USE TOPS AND BARRICADES OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO HELP US OUT WITH AN EVENT, AND WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH AND LOOK AT SOME OF OUR BILLINGS AND THE TIMING OF BILLINGS TO GET AN IDEA. SO IF WE LOOK AT CHECK RUNS AND THEN OVER TIME, WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO THAT, BUT WE ALSO WILL BE BRINGING BACK THE RUN AND SYNERGY. IF YOU NOTICE, THEY WERE STILL IN THE BUDGET. SYNERGY IS MADE A REQUEST FOR $20,000. THEY ACTUALLY CUT THEIR BUDGET. THE RUN YOU KNOW ABOUT. SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. I THINK FOR SYNERGY IT'S JUST A 20 K RIGHT. YEAH IT WAS 35 BEFORE. BUT THE REQUEST THAT CAME IN AND WE'LL HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR YOU. IT'S FOR $20,100. BUT I THINK FOR SYNERGY WE DON'T USE OVERTIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO NO THAT IS YOU'RE RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M MAKING MY POINT THERE IN DISTINGUISHING FROM SOME OF THESE EVENTS IS THAT SYNERGY. WE'RE GIVING A 20,000 DONATION. BUT GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE DOING ALL THE WORK THEY ARE. AND I'LL JUST GIVE THEM THAT. YOU KNOW, LET'S GIVE THEM THAT KUDOS BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE GIVING THEM A $20 SPONSORSHIP, BUT THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE STAFFING, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE CLEANUP. THEY'RE DOING IT ALL. WE'RE SOME OF THE OTHER EVENTS, WE'RE GOING IN 120,000 K AT LEAST, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO THEN PROVIDING THE STAFFING TO IT. SO AS I'M CLOSING UP, GUYS, ALSO IS THAT

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WE NEED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CITY EVENTS AND PRIVATE EVENTS. AND THEN HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO BE THEN PAYING INTO SOMEONE WHO'S PUTTING IN A PRIVATE EVENT? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THAT MUCH, THEN AT THAT POINT WE SHOULD BE THEN THINKING OF JUST MAKING IT A FULL CITY EVENT. MAKE SENSE? SURE. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANKS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

1. Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Proposed Budget

Jul 30, 2025 City Council Study Session

1. Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Proposed Budget

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