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THE TIME IS 612. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN OUR MEETING FOR REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024. CAN WE ALL STAND? AND I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER MUOIO IF YOU CAN PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE HAND OVER YOUR HEART. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. YOU MAY BE SEATED. MR. DIRECTOR, CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YE, COMMISSIONER. ARVISO. YES, COMMISSIONER. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES, COMMISSIONER. MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR HERNANDEZ. I'M HERE. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ.
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THAT'S ABSENT TODAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW MOVING OVER TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION MAY ANNOUNCE ANY ITEMS BEING PULLED FROM THE AGENDA OR CONTINUE TO ANOTHER SCHEDULED DATE. CAN I GET APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA? CAN I GET A MOTION? PLEASE? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 16TH, 2024. AWESOME. CAN I GET A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THAT. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARVIZU? YES. COMMISSIONER. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR.[APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES]
HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 16TH. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 16TH. CAN WE GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARVISO. YES. COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES.COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR. HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. NOW, MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM OF INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS WITHIN THE AGENDA. THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER OF JURISDICTION THEREOF. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. THE TIME IS 615. I'LL BE OPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY? IF THERE'S ANYONE ON ZOOM TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF THERE IS ANYONE ON ZOOM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
NO HANDS RAISED. AND ANYBODY PRESENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE IT AT 615. MOVING ON TO REPORTS AND REQUESTS. DIRECTOR. NONE FROM STAFF. ALL RIGHT. NOW MOVING ON TO NON HEARING ITEMS. ITEM
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NUMBER TWO. COACHELLA VALLEY PROJECT, FIRST 12TH MONTH TIME EXTENSION. MR. DIRECTOR, PLEASE.OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I HAVE JUST A QUICK PRESENTATION.
THIS ITEM IS A NON HEARING ITEM FOR A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND SORRY ABOUT THE DATE THE. THIS IS THE COACHELLA VILLAGE APARTMENT PROJECT. IT IS A REQUEST FOR A ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSION. THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED FOR A VARIANCE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR 242 UNIT MULTIFAMILY GATED PROJECT. THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT IS. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN 2017. THE PERMIT EXPIRED AND THEN THIS HAD TO GET RE-APPROVED AGAIN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2022. AND SO, BECAUSE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS ARE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS, IT WILL EXPIRE DECEMBER 6TH, 2024. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSION AS LONG AS THEY SUBMIT THE REQUEST BEFORE IT EXPIRES. THEN THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ONE YEAR EXTENSION. JUST TO GIVE YOU GO OVER THIS REALLY BRIEFLY IN TERMS OF THE APPROVALS, THIS IS THE LOCATION NEAR THE CORNER OF AVENUE 48 AND VAN BUREN STREET. TEN ACRE SITE. THEY'RE PROPOSING APARTMENT BUILDINGS, A TOTAL OF 223,740FTS OVER 15 BUILDINGS. THERE WOULD ALSO BE A DAYCARE FACILITY AS WELL AS RECREATION BUILDING, TWO POOL AREAS, AND IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY FOR THE APARTMENTS AND THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF THOSE APARTMENTS, AND THIS WOULD BE AT ITS THE LARGEST BUILDINGS WOULD BE THREE STORIES. AND HERE'S A COMMUNITY BUILDING. AND SOME OF THE RENDERINGS AT THE ENTRANCE. AND
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THEN WHAT THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN HERE ARE ALL THE ELEVATIONS. SO YOU WOULD HAVE A FIRST FLOOR GARAGE, BUT THERE WOULD ALSO BE UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IS SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL. AT THE DAYCARE BUILDING. THERE WAS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT WAS PREPARED AND THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE THAT THAT THE MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION COULD BE ADOPTED. SO THAT DETERMINATION WAS MADE. SO WE RECOMMEND JUST ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD EXTEND THE TIME FRAME FOR THE APPROVALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, AND THAT WOULD BE TILL DECEMBER 6TH, 2025. BEFORE THAT TIME, THEY COULD COME AGAIN AND REQUEST TWO MORE TIME EXTENSION. SO TWO MORE ONE YEAR TIME EXTENSIONS. THE APPLICANT HAS COMMUNICATED THE REASON FOR THE EXTENSION IS SOME OF THE POWER ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE. SO THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE ISSUES SECURING POWER FROM THE IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT, THE UTILITY. SO THEY ARE WORKING ON THOSE ISSUES RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST TALKED TO HIM TODAY ABOUT IT. SO HE'S ACTIVELY PURSUING A SOLUTION. THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MAY BE ON ZOOM, BUT NOT NOT SURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DIRECTOR. ANY COMMENTS FOR THE DIRECTOR? WE CAN START WITH ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES, SIR. MOVING OVER TO COMMISSIONER LIVERPOOL. JUST OPENING IT UP AGAIN. IF THE PUBLIC IF THE PUBLIC IF THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE ON ZOOM, IF THEY WANT TO JUST EXPAND ON THE ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER. WHAT DO YOU KNOW, SIR? VICE CHAIR GONZALEZ. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PROJECT FIRST 12 MONTH TIME EXTENSION. OH, PERFECT. CAN WE GET A SECOND? I WILL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER ARVISO. YES. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES.VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR. HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. MOVING OVER TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. NINE, HEARING ITEM C, CUP 375, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. NUMBER 23, DASH 14, COACHELLA. COACHELLA ISLAMIC CENTER PARKING LOT. MR. DIRECTOR. OKAY. THIS ITEM WILL BE PRESENTED BY ASSOCIATE PLANNER ADRIAN MORENO. HELLO.
PLANNING COMMISSION AND CHAIR. I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM TODAY. SO THIS IS REGARDING THE NON HEARING ITEM REGARDING ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW 2314 CUP 375 COACHELLA ISLAMIC CENTER PARKING LOT. AND THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN FOR OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE APPROVED PROJECT AT 84 650 AVENUE 49. HERE'S A VICINITY MAP. THIS DID GO BACK TO THIS DID GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE. SO THIS IS COMING BACK TO GET STAFF DIRECTION. SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS SITE BEFORE. SO YEAH, THE LOCATION OF THE SITE IS IN THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED AREA. IT IS NORTH OF AVENUE 49 AND JUST IN BETWEEN GRAPEFRUIT BOULEVARD AND FREDERICK STREET. THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. THE ZONING IS NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND THE ACREAGE IS 2.38 ACRES.
BACKGROUND. ON JUNE FIFTH, 2024, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THIS PROJECT FOR THE COACHELLA ISLAMIC CENTER PARKING LOT. THIS WAS JUST FOR A PARKING LOT FOR THE EXISTING MOSQUE. AND THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY IS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION ON CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT REGARDING OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS APPROVED. THAT IMAGE TO AT THE TOP IS THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS APPROVED IN THAT RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA. THERE IS THE PARKING LOT AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. THIS ACTUALLY WAS APPROVED IN 2016 FOR A PARKING LOT. AND MOSQUE EXPANSION, BUT THAT ENDED UP BEING EXPIRED. SO THE APPLICANT CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GOT APPROVAL JUST FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO THERE'S NO EXPANSION. THAT'S WHY IT'S A BIT BIG, RIGHT? FOR THIS SMALLER MOSQUE, BECAUSE IT'S FOR A FUTURE MOSQUE IN THE FUTURE. BUT THE PARKING LOT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WAS APPROVED AT THIS TIME. AND AT THE BOTTOM THERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. AND I DID SHOW AVENUE 49 HOW THAT LOOKS. AND REALLY THE TOPIC OF TODAY IS THAT YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREA FOR
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OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TO HAVE SIDEWALK, THREE QUARTER INCH GRAVEL, SHADE TREES AND A DIVERSITY OF SHRUBS AND FLOWERING VARIETIES. THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FOUR FOOT LANDSCAPE PARKWAY, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK AND THEN FOUR FEET OF LANDSCAPING. BUT IN THE CONDITION, IT WAS PROVIDED THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE A HIGH QUALITY ALTERNATIVE DESIGN. SO IF THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING ALTERNATIVE, THEY COULD. SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET A SIDEWALK AND THEN SIX FEET OF LANDSCAPING. AND THIS IS THE PLANT ENGINE THAT THEY PROVIDED. SO IT WOULD INCLUDE SHADE TREES SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER. THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL DID REQUIRE THREE QUARTER INCH GRAVEL. THEY SAID THEY COULD DO IT. THEY WOULDN'T DO THE GROUND COVER, BUT THEY COULD DO THE THREE QUARTER INCH GRAVEL.THAT'D BE POSSIBLE, RIGHT? AND THEY WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. AND REALLY, THE DIFFERENCE IN DESIGN IS THAT THEY HAVE SIX FEET OF LENGTH, SIX FEET OF SIDEWALK AND SIX FEET OF LANDSCAPING, RIGHT. THE DESIGN THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS TO SHOW THE SEPARATED SIDEWALK SO THEY WOULD HAVE LANDSCAPING BY THE CURB, THEN SIDEWALK, AND THEN LANDSCAPING. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WOULD THIS DESIGN LOOK LIKE IF THEY FOLLOWED THE INTENTION OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL. BUT AGAIN, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL DID PROVIDE AN OPTION FOR AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN. AND THIS IS THE FRONTAGE LOOKING TO THE WEST. AND AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT. SO HERE'S AVENUE 49. THIS IS THE CURB SIX FEET OF SIDEWALK AND ABOUT SIX FEET OF LANDSCAPING WITH THE EXISTING FENCE. THEY'RE ABOUT 12FT FROM THE CURB WITH THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAD ASKED FOR WAS AGAIN AVENUE 49. HERE, THE CURB, FOUR FEET OF LANDSCAPING, SIX FEET OF SIDEWALK, AND THEN FOUR FEET OF LANDSCAPING. SO THE FENCE IS IN THE WAY. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, RIGHT? SO TO ACCOMPLISH THE FOUR FEET OF ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, THE FENCE WOULD NEED TO BE MOVED. SO SOME DISCUSSION POINTS TO ACCOMPLISH.
THE FOUR FOOT LANDSCAPING. PARKWAY, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, FOUR FOOT LANDSCAPING. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE BACK THE FENCE BY TWO FEET. THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL NEVER REQUIRED THEM TO RELOCATE THE FENCE, SO THE BENEFITS OF THE SEPARATED SIDEWALK DESIGN STATED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IT WOULD BE A STREET DESIGN. COMPLIANCE WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, AND WOULD BE IN THE GUIDELINES OF THE GENERAL PLAN MOBILITY ACT. THE BENEFITS OF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS COMPATIBILITY. COMPATIBILITY WITH OTHER PROPERTIES ADJACENT WOULD AVOID THE COST OF REMOVING AND RECONSTRUCTING THE FENCE, AND IT WOULD STILL BE A HIGH QUALITY SIDEWALK AND LANDSCAPE DESIGN. AND THIS IS A STREET VIEW OF THE MOSQUE. THIS IS THE STREET VIEW ON AVENUE 49 OF THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION, WHETHER TO ACCEPT OR DENY THE PROPOSED HIGH QUALITY ALTERNATIVE DESIGN FOR OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SAID THEY COULD DO AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.
AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION TO SEE IF THIS THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MARTIN, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS FOR MR. MORENO OR AND OR STAFF. WE CAN START WITH COMMISSIONER. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE BENEFITS? YEAH. SLIDE. THANK YOU FOR THAT SLIDE TO. NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
PERFECT. MOVING OVER TO COMMISSIONER FONSECA. NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, WHAT DO YOU. I AGREE WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN. THEY CAME UP WITH A NICE SUBSTITUTION IN ORDER TO NOT REMOVE THE FENCE. THAT WOULD BE COSTLY TO THEM. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK IT LOOKS NICE. VICE CHAIR GONZALES IS THE PARKING LOT ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, SO NOT YET.
THEY'RE STILL IN PLAN CHECK. SO THEY. SO THIS CAME UP IN PLAN CHECK. SO THEY HAVE A PRECISE GRADING PLAN FOR THE THAT WAS SUBMITTED. OKAY. SUBMITTED. OKA. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT. AWESOME.
I JUST I JUST ONE COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO LET OUR RELIGIOUS NEIGHBORS AND STAKEHOLDERS OF OUR CITY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH YOU FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT. AND WE
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APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND I HAVE NONE. CAN WE GET A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AWESOME. CAN WE GET A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE? I WILL SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE. AWESOME. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARVISO. YES. COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR. HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO[PUBLIC HEARING CALENDAR (QUASI-JUDICIAL)]
MUCH, MR. MORENO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO PUBLIC HEARING CALENDAR FOR QUASI JUDICIAL ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE GALILEE CENTER, THE GALILEE THRIFT STORE, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 383 FOR THE THRIFT STORE USE WITHIN 2600FT■!S. TENT SPACE 49 2291. GRAPEFRUIT.BOULEVARD. UNIT NUMBER ONE. MR. DIRECTOR, THIS WILL BE A PRESENTATION AGAIN BY ASSOCIATE PLANNER ADRIAN MORENO. THANK YOU. I'LL BE PRESENTING THIS ITEM. SO THIS IS REGARDING CUP NUMBER 383 GALILEE CENTER THRIFT STORE CUP FOR THE 2610 SQUARE FOOT TENANT SPACE AT 49291 GRAPEFRUIT BOULEVARD UNIT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS IN THE FOOD FOR LESS SHOPPING CENTER. THE APPLICANT IS GLORIA GOMEZ. SO HERE'S THE VICINITY MAP. SO THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THAT BLUE HIGHLIGHTED AREA. THERE ADJACENT TO GRAPEFRUIT BOULEVARD. AGAIN, THIS IS IN THE GRAPEFRUIT. SORRY. THE FOOD FOR LESS SHOPPING CENTER AND HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE TENANT SPACE WHERE THE NEW THRIFT STORE IS GOING TO BE. SO THE ZONING IS GENERAL, COMMERCIAL AND GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS SUBURBAN RETAIL DISTRICT. SO A BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE GALILEE CENTER THRIFT STORE HAS OPERATED ON THE CORNER OF CESAR CHAVEZ STREET AND SIXTH STREET SINCE THEIR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN 2012. APPLICANT IS NOW LOOKING TO MOVE LOCATIONS FROM THAT 66TH STREET LOCATION TO THE FOOD FOR LESS SHOPPING CENTER ON GRAPEFRUIT BOULEVARD, AND THIS IS WHAT THE GALILEE THRIFT STORE LOOKS LIKE ON SIXTH STREET. SO I PUT IN AN ARROW. THAT'S THRIFT STORE LOCATION THERE. AND THIS IS WHAT THE INTERIOR LOOKS LIKE FOR THE THRIFT STORE. AND THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN. SO ON THE LEFT I SHOWED THE ENTRANCE AND THAT WOULD BE THE EXIT ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. AND HERE ARE SITE PHOTOS. SO THAT IS WHERE THE GALILEE CENTER THRIFT STORE IS PROPOSING TO RELOCATE. IT IS IN BETWEEN THE BIG FIVE SPORTING GOODS STORE AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE FAMILY FURNITURE STORE THAT HAD JUST MOVED IN THERE THIS YEAR. SO IT'S BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOCATIONS. THE SITE CONDITIONS OVERALL, THE PAVEMENT LOOKS GOOD. THERE'S MINOR DISREPAIR ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THEY WOULD NEED TO DO THESE MINOR TOUCH UPS AT THE EXTERIOR. AND I JUST HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THOSE WERE THOSE MINOR TOUCH UPS CAN BE THE SITE. LANDSCAPING OVERALL LOOKS GOOD AND I JUST PROVIDED PICTURES OF THE FRONTAGE OF THAT TENANT SPACE. AND ALSO ON GRAPEFRUIT BOULEVARD. WHEN WE WENT TO DO A SITE INSPECTION, WE SAW THAT MAINTENANCE CREWS WERE OUT THERE WORKING ON THE LANDSCAPING. SO THAT'S GOOD TO SEE. WE DID CONTACT RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF AND CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEUTENANT VASQUEZ FROM THE RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IDENTIFIED NO CONCERNS. CODE ENFORCEMENT COMMENTS WERE IMPLEMENTED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT. THIS INCLUDES REQUIRING INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL LETTERING SIGNAGE, NO OUTDOOR BANNER SIGNAGE, AND TO PROHIBIT OUTSIDE MERCHANDISE DISPLAYS AT THE EXTERIOR. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES WITH SIGNAGE IN THE AREA, SO THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE REALLY TO MAKE SURE THOSE ISSUES DON'T COME UP AND HAVE. SO THE SENATE OR SORRY, THE THRIFT STORE HAS GOOD HIGH QUALITY SIGNAGE APPROVED BY THE CITY. SOME CONDITION OF APPROVAL. I DID WANT TO NOTE REQUIRED TO REPAIR ANY DISREPAIR. FACADE EXTERIOR SIGNAGE TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGN PROGRAM AND SHALL BE INDIVIDUAL CHANNEL LETTERING. ANY DONATIONS MUST OCCUR DURING BUSINESS HOUR.
DONATION BINS SHALL NOT OCCUR AT THE EXTERIOR, AND THAT OUTSIDE MERCHANDISE DISPLAYS ARE PROHIBITED. AND AS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 383, WITH THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS LISTED IN RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 20 2425. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. WOOTEN. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. NO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. DOES ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORENO? YOU CAN START WITH COMMISSIONER MURILLO. SINCE LANDSCAPE IS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TENANT, THE ONLY THING THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE CARE OF ARE THE MINOR REPAIRS AND JUST MOVE IN. YEAH. DOES ANYTHING ELSE FALL UNDER THEIR CUP FOR SIGNAGE? THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A SIGN PLAN AND WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT. AND THEY
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WOULD HAVE TO GET A TENANT IMPROVEMENTS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU.ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YEAH. NO, NO STORAGE IN THE BACK ALLEY PART OF IT. RIGHT. THEY CAN'T STORE ANYTHING IN THE EXTERIOR. OKAY. CAN THEY MOVE WITHOUT THE SIGNAGE OR. I MEAN, CAN THEY CAN THEY MOVE WITHOUT SIGNAGE BEING PROVIDED? BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE DOES TAKE SOME TIME. IS THERE IS THERE WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE THEM TO SUBMIT IT BEFORE BEFORE THEY MOVE IN. SO WE KNOW. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE BUILDING. IT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY. YEAH. OKAY. BEFORE THEY BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO MOVE IN THERE, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? COMMENTS. YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. AND I DID SEE THAT IT WAS NOTED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT THEY CAN HAVE SIGNAGE OUT IN FRONT OF THE STORE OUTSIDE OF WHERE IT'S ALLOWED. AND THIS IS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING TEMPORARY WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO GET THEIR OFFICIAL SIGNAGE, IS THERE A TIME WHERE YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THE BUSINESS IS AT? YEAH, THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO SUBMIT AND PROVIDE EXAMPLE OF THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. AND WE WILL GIVE THEM A TIMEFRAME WHERE THEY CAN HAVE IT UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. AND I HAVE ONE JUST ONE COMMENT FOR STAFF. WERE WE ABLE TO INCLUDE PRESSURE WASHING AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY. SO THAT CAN BE INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THEY'RE NOT SERVING FOOD. SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF HAVING A SERIOUS PROBLEM IS PROBABLY NOT THERE. BUT IT COULD COME UP DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY SELL. SO THAT COULD BE A CONDITION. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED IF WE CAN. SO PERHAPS WE COULD WORK OUT A SCHEDULE. MAYBE PERHAPS TALK TO THE WHOLE PROPERTY OWNER AND START REALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST BUILD IT IN AS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL FOR ALL THE NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN. I CONCUR. WILL THAT BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE BUSINESS? SO THEY LIKELY WOULD WORK THAT OUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO THAT, SINCE THEY LIKE TO DO THAT ALREADY. BUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT IT ENSURE ENSURES THAT IT HAPPENS REGARDLESS, RIGHT. YEAH. THEY JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MUTUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE LANDOWNER. THE TENANT. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE WORK THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. WHAT WHAT ARE THE DESIRES OF THIS COMMISSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 2024, DASH 25 TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. CHAIR. IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, SO YOU NEED TO OPEN UP THE. OH, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. ALL RIGHT, SO THANK YOU. OUR TRUSTY ATTORNEY. FOR POINTING THAT OUT. ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 635. LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO THIS ITEM ONLINE AND OR IN PERSON? NO. HANDS ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY IN PERSON? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D LIKE TO CLOSE IT. THE TIME IS 635. CHAIR. ANOTHER POINT ON, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE ADDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, CAN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND VERBALLY ACCEPT THE NEW CONDITION? OKAY.
PERFECT. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ACCEPT AND OR DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL? CAN WE GET THE PC NUMBER ON THE SCREEN? THE WHAT? THE PC NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. OH. THE RECOMMENDATION? YEAH. THANK YOU. BUT I THINK THAT ABOUT PRESSURE WASHER IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WE COULD DO OUR SIDE ONLY, BUT NOT THE WHOLE BUILDING. IT HAS TO BE TOO MUCH FOR US, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WE'RE IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE FOOD FOR LESS. SO IT'S EXTREMELY BIG. SO I MEAN, RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF US, THEY'LL BE FINE. BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE FOR THE WHOLE THING. IT WON'T BE IMPOSSIBLE. NO, IT'S TRULY UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. WE'RE ONLY REQUIRING THAT YOU PRESSURE WASH THE LIMITS OF YOUR PROPERTY. RIGHT. OR THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR OF YOUR OF YOUR OF YOUR STOREFRONT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CITYWIDE. RIGHT. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY AND WE WANT TO PROMOTE CLEANLINESS. WE WANT TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, JUST AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE WELCOMING. AND I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT IN THE SIXTH STREETS. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT IN FRONT OF US ON THE BACK.
AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. ONCE A MONTH I CAN DO THE WHOLE SHOPPING. OH, YEAH. YOU GOT TO TALK TO HIM ANYTIME. OKAY. I JUST THANK YOU FOR SURE. OKAY, SO I RECOMMEND THE CLOSING. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE LEAGUE. HAVE WE COMPLETED? WE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC. I CLOSED IT ALREADY. VERY CLOSE.
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TO CLOSE IT AGAIN. NO. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RESOLUTION.TAKE IT OFF THE SCREEN. CAN YOU PC SCREEN. PC 2024 DASH 25 TO APPROVE. GET A SECOND. CAN WE GET A SECOND? OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT. PERFECT. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ARVIZU. YES. ALTER. COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR.
GONZALEZ. YES. CHAIR. HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. AWESOME. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. A VARIANCE FOR NUMBER 24, DASH ZERO ONE. CAMPOS SETBACK. DIRECTOR, THIS ITEM IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY ADRIAN MORENO. AWESOME. MR. MORENO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO THIS IS REGARDING VARIANCE 20 401 CAMPOS SETBACK. A REQUEST FOR A FIVE FOOT SETBACK VARIANCE FOR AN EXISTING DETACHED 263 SQUARE FOOT PATIO STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PERMIT AT 4.8552.
PLAYA DEL AMOR STREET. THE APPLICANT IS JESUS CAMPOS, AND THIS IS A VICINITY MAP, SO THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION IS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ZONING IS SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE LOT SIZE IS 6534FT■!S. AND IT'S IN THE TIERRA DEL SOL COMMUNITY. JUST TO THE EAST OF JACKSON STREET. AND I HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THE SITE. THAT'S THE SITE OF THE HOME. SO A BIT OF BACKGROUND. SO AGAIN, THIS WAS AN UNPERMITTED PATIO STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PERMIT. CODE ENFORCEMENT DID IDENTIFY THAT THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT A PERMIT ON JULY 20TH, 2021 AND OPENED A CASE ON THE STRUCTURE ON JANUARY 2022. CODE ENFORCEMENT BEGAN ISSUING CITATIONS ON MAY 10TH, 2022. THE PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED A BUILDING PERMIT, AND THAT'S WHEN STAFF INFORMED THEM THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE TEN FOOT SETBACK. THEY ONLY PROVIDE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE HOME WHEN THEY NEED TO DO THE TEN. ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2024, APPLICANT MET WITH STAFF AND SUBMITTED A VARIANCE APPLICATION SHORTLY AFTER. SO EARLIER THIS MONTH SUBMITTED A VARIANCE APPLICATION. SO FOR THE SETBACK, THE WALL PLANS AND I'M JUST PUTTING IN THE FIRST BULLET POINT WHAT THE CODE SAYS. THE WALL PLANS OR SIDES OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MUST BE A MINIMUM OF TEN FEET FROM THE SIDES OR WALL. PLANES OF ANY OTHER STRUCTURE. AND THIS IS A BIT OF A CLOSE UP HERE. SO THAT IS THEIR PATIO STRUCTURE. IT IS COMPLIANT WITH OUR MUNICIPAL CODE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR A PATIO STRUCTURE. IT'S A WOODEN A WOODEN PATIO WITH COMPATIBLE TILE ROOF DESIGN TO THE MAIN HOUSE. SO IT IS A GOOD LOOKING DESIGN, COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE. HOWEVER, THEY DID CONSTRUCT IT FIVE FEET FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE CIRCLED THERE. THEY ONLY THEY CONSTRUCTED FIVE FEET FROM THE MAIN HOUSE WHERE THE CODE REQUIRES TEN, RIGHT? THIS IS A PUBLIC VIEW OF THE PATIO. THIS IS FROM THE RETENTION BASIN JUST SOUTH OF THEIR PROPERTY. I TOOK THE PICTURE FROM AND WE HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS FOR A VARIANCE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE FINDINGS TWO, FOUR AND FIVE, BUT NOT ONE AND THREE. SO CITY STAFF FOUND THAT THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD NOT RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR A NECESSARY HARDSHIPS. THAT'S FINDING ONE AND FINDING THREE. THE VARIANCE IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND ENJOYMENT OF A SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY, RIGHT? AS THIS VARIANCE WOULD NOT RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR UNNECESSARY HARDSHIPS, AND REALLY IT'S FROM STAFF BELIEVING THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT. THEY THEY COULD HAVE DONE THE TEN FOOT SETBACK, BUT THEY ONLY PROVIDED THE FIVE, RIGHT. WE DID FIND THE WE DID MAKE THE FINDINGS THAT THERE IS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. SO IT IS THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED EAST WEST, WHICH IS NOT IN THE GUIDANCE OF THE GENERAL PLAN FOR ENERGY CONSERVATION. SO THAT'S A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THERE. THE PROPOSED VARIANCE ISN'T GOING TO BE A SAFETY CONCERN. AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN MY NEXT SLIDES. AND THE GENERAL PLAN DOESN'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE MAIN HOUSE. WE DID REACH OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING DIVISION REGARDING THE SETBACK VARIANCE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IDENTIFIED THAT THE SETBACKS ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY BUILDING DIVISION, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NO COMMENTS ON THIS VARIANCE. RIGHT. THE CITY BUILDING DIVISION PROVIDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IF PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, THE BUILDING DIVISION CONDITIONS REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING THAT THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT. THAT THERE ARE INSPECTIONS. ANY NECESSARY MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MATCH APPROVED PLANS, AND THE PATIO AND THE BUILDING DIVISION
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DID SAY THE PATIO COMPLIES WITH SETBACKS ESTABLISHED BY THE BUILDING CODE. SO NO ADDITIONAL FIRE RATING IS REQUIRED. THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES, WOULD ENSURE THAT IT'S SAFE. AND AGAIN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SAFETY CONCERNS.RIGHT. AND WE DID GET A CALL FROM THE PUBLIC. SO I DID GET A CALL FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST NORTH OF THE HOME. AND THEY THEY GOT THE NOTICE AND THEY WERE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS NOTICE WAS FOR. I EXPLAINED THE VARIANCE TO THEM, AND I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD PROVIDE THEIR COMMENT IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING. THEY SAID THAT'D BE FINE. AND I DID INVITE THEM TO THE HEARING AS WELL. SO THEY SAID THAT THERE'S NO CONCERNS REGARDING THE PATIO VARIANCE, THAT THERE WAS NO EFFECT TO THEM AND DID NOT NOTICE THE PATIO OR PATIO SETBACK DISTANCE ISSUES. SO THE PUBLIC, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY OWNER, DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PATIO OR THE PATIO VARIANCE AND SOME THINGS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. THERE IS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO AN OPEN STATE, OPEN SPACE RETENTION BASIN AREA TO THE SOUTH, AND I'LL BRING UP AN IMAGE AGAIN SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. YEAH, THERE'S A LARGE RETENTION BASIN TO THE SOUTH. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY THAT I DID WANT TO MENTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND SEE. SO WE DO ENFORCE THE CODE RIGHT. THE TEN FOOT SETBACK. THAT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT. SO THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S PART OF THE CODE. SO WE ENFORCE IT RIGHT. SO STAFF CONSIDERED WHY WHY DO WE REQUIRE A TEN FOOT SETBACK. IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR ESTHETIC IMPACTS RIGHT. THE PATIO COMPLIES WITH DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. REDUCE SETBACK VISUALLY CONNECTS PATIO TO THE MAIN HOUSE. FOR THESE REASONS WE DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ESTHETIC IMPACT. THE TEN FOOT SETBACK COULD HAVE BEEN TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE. HOWEVER, THE CODE DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THAT. SO OPEN SPACE ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT PLANNING IDENTIFIED AND MAYBE THE TEN FOOT SETBACK WAS FOR SAFETY, RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THERE WAS NO CONCERNS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING CONDITIONS. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO APPROVE WOULD ENSURE SAFETY. AS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THE VARIANCE IS A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION COMPLIANT WITH SEQUA. THE PROPOSED PATIO PROJECT CONSISTS OF JUST THE LOCATION OF THE SMALL PATIO STRUCTURE. AND AS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENY VARIANCE NUMBER 20 401, WITH THE FINDINGS LISTED IN RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 2024, DASH 24. AND REALLY, THIS RECOMMENDATION IS REALLY FROM THE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS OF HARDSHIP FINDINGS ONE AND THREE. RIGHT? THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND OF COURSE I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO MENTION AND SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOSE NOT TO GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM, PREPARE A NEW RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE. THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 646. I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THIS ITEM? AND OR ONLINE? THERE ARE NONE ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY IN PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING THIS ITEM? ALRIGHTY. SEEING THAT THERE ARE NONE, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE IT AT 646. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR STAFF? AND WE CAN START WITH COMMISSIONER FONSECA, PLEASE. SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR THE TEN FOOT. I GUESS GEOGRAPHICALLY, WAS THERE ENOUGH ROOM WITHIN THE BACKYARD FOR THAT, THE TEN FOOT TO BE TO BE RIGHT. NOT IN THE WAY IT'S POSITIONED, BUT IF THEY FLIPPED IT AROUND. RIGHT. SO IT'S NORTH SOUTH, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE SPACE. RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE IMAGE OF THE PATIO. RIGHT. SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN FEASIBLE IF IT CONSTRUCTED IT NORTH SOUTH INSTEAD OF EAST WEST. SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF IT WERE TO BE DENIED THEN THE CITY WOULD I GUESS BEFORE SAYING WHAT I'M THINKING, I NEED TO SAY WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING DOWN THE PATIO AND
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RECONSTRUCT OR JUST BRING IT DOWN, NOT RECONSTRUCT. RIGHT? YES. AND YOU'RE SAYING AND AS DIRECTOR PEREZ COMMUNICATED, IF IT WERE TO GO AHEAD AND GO THE OTHER ROUTE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE TEN FEET. NO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN AS IS. THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, MAKE SURE IT GETS INSPECTED AND GOES THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT APPROVALS SO WE'D BE ABLE TO REMAIN AS IS IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.YEAH, THOSE ARE MY STATEMENTS AS OF RIGHT NOW. I'M STILL ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO COMMISSIONER OROZCO, WHEN YOU DETERMINE IN THE FINDINGS THAT THERE IS NO FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, HOW DOES STAFF COME TO DETERMINE THAT? RIGHT. AND I COULD BRING UP THE FINDINGS HERE. SO. YEAH.
SO FINDING ONE THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER WOULD NOT RESULT IN PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR NECESSARY HARDSHIPS. I DID INCLUDE IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING REGARDING THE LOT THAT WAS UNIQUE, THE LOT SIZE IS WITHIN THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. THE SETBACK OF THE YARD, USUALLY A MINIMUM OF 20 IS REQUIRED. THEY HAVE 30. SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF SPACE IN THEIR BACKYARD. SO WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING UNIQUE REGARDING THE LOT SIZE WHERE IT WOULD BE INFEASIBLE TO DO THE PATIO. SO BECAUSE STAFF BELIEVES THE CODE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO DO A PATIO, WE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A HARDSHIP RIGHT? SO WE DO LOOK AT THE LOT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING UNIQUE, AND WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY HARDSHIP RIGHT? OKAY. AND THEN WHEN ASKED THE FINDINGS CAME TOGETHER. DOES THIS DOES STAFF CHECK IN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? I DID CHECK IN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DID LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO DENY. YEAH, OKAY. IT'S JUST IF THE PROPERTY, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER, ARE THEY STILL ABLE TO COME UP AND SPEAK IF THEY WANT TO? YEAH. IF I COULD OPEN IT BACK UP FOR THEM.
CAN I, FOR THEM TO ADDRESS IT. YEAH. YES. AND I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD. EXCUSE ME I SAID ALL WE DID WAS OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU DON'T NEED TO OPEN IT AGAIN. YEAH. YOU COULD JUST ASK THEM TO COME UP AND ASK THE QUESTION. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER FONSECA'S. IF THIS WOULD BE IT, IF YOU WOULD DENY IT. THE MUNICIPAL CODE DOES GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO EVEN IF YOU GUYS WERE TO DENY IT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. I THINK THE REASONABLE APPROACH ON THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY THERE'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALREADY WEIGHED IN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN. YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED THEM TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIG CONCERN IS, IS THE SAFETY ISSUE. AND IF IT'S CONSTRUCTED RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH AN INSPECTION. I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST REASONABLE APPROACH. AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DID MAKE AN INSPECTION. I ALSO DID AN INSPECTION JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DID GO TO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT THE PATIO. AND WHAT WAS YOUR DETERMINATION AT LEAST FOR PLANNING? IT IS A HIGH QUALITY DESIGN. IT'S A WOODEN PATIO STRUCTURE WITH TILE ROOF THAT MATCHES THE HOME. SO LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S IT LOOKS GOOD, RIGHT? IT MEETS OUR PLANNING REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE PERMIT. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE FINES REGARDLESS. ANY ISSUES WOULD BE WILL COME UP AS THEY WERE DOING THE INSPECTION. CORRECT. WELL HE'S ALREADY LOOKED AT IT. THE BUILDING COMMITTEE LOOKED AT IT FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT, LOOKED AT IT, HAD NO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FOR FREESTANDING STRUCTURES. IT'S A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. YEAH. FOR A FREESTANDING STRUCTURE IT NEEDS TO BE TEN FEET FROM THE MAIN HOUSE. IF IT WAS ATTACHED NO. BUT THE, THE DESIGN REQUIREMENT IS A LOADING REQUIREMENT VERSUS AN ATTACHED REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. WHERE WE HAVE LIKE A FREESTANDING STRUCTURE, IT DOES REQUIRE ENGINEERING DESIGN. RIGHT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND SO HOW ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THROUGH AN INSPECTION. I COULD UNDERSTAND VISUALLY THE BASIC FORMULAS. YOU KNOW. YEAH I UNDERSTAND THE FORMULA BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL. BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE WITH FREESTANDING STRUCTURES IS THAT THERE IS AN THERE IS AN ENGINEERING CALCULATION. THAT'S THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO IF THERE WAS I THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THAT
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CORRECT? WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS FOR WHAT I'M SAYING. AND IF THEY DO REQUIRE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO DO THE CALCULATIONS AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO CARRY THAT BURDEN, IT DOES REQUIRE THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO SUBMIT IN THE PLAN. THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCLUDING HERE BECAUSE HE HE DID SAY THAT. OH, WE DID GIVE A VISUAL INSPECTION AND IT ADHERES TO OR MEETS THE STANDARD VISUALLY MATCHING ROOF TILE ETCETERA GABLED ROOF. BUT THEY STIPULATED ON THE REPORT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS SUBMITTAL. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT THAT WILL BE AN ITEM THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP. AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT. CAN WE PUT THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF WE IF WE DO AGREE THAT WE ALLOW HIM TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE REQUESTING THE PERMIT AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN. WE HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN AND PAYING THE FEES AND THE FINES. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. JUST JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DIVISION ALREADY PROVIDED CONDITIONS WHERE THEY ALREADY SAID THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT. YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PLANS, RIGHT, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO THOSE PLANS WOULD BE REVIEWED. THEY HAVE TO GET THAT BUILDING PERMIT APPROVED. INSPECTIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING NECESSARY TO MATCH THE APPROVED PLANS, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO BE MADE. YEAH, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S COVERED WITHIN THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMISSIONER, WHAT DO YOU. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A TOUGH ONE. SO I WAS READING WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE VARIANCE IS NOT NECESSARY FOR PRESERVATION OF AND ENJOYMENT OF A SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY. RIGHT. IS IT KIND OF MEANING THAT THEY DON'T NEED IT? IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A WANT OR A NEED IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY. YEAH. FOR FINDING NUMBER THREE.AND THIS KIND OF TIES BACK TO ONE. THE CODE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO DO A PATIO RIGHT. IF THEY DESIGNED IT A DIFFERENT WAY. RIGHT. BUT WE REALLY NEED SOME GUIDANCE. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO APPROVE, TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OR UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP IS, OKAY. THE CASE OPENED IN 2021. WAS IT BUILT IN 2021 OR WAS IT PREVIOUSLY BUILT YEARS PRIOR? WELL, YEAH. SO I DID TALK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT REGARDING THIS. SO IN JULY 2021, CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT BY. I THINK THERE WAS A LIGHT FIXTURE IN THE RETENTION AREA, AND THEY SAW THAT THE PATIO WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED. I BELIEVE THE PATIO WAS MOSTLY CONSTRUCTED EXCEPT THE ROOF TILE WASN'T INSTALLED. SO THEY HAD CITED THEM AND OPENED A CASE AND TOLD THEM TO STOP THE CONSTRUCTION. BUT THEY DID END UP FINISHING THE CONSTRUCTION. AND WITH JUST THE ROOF TILES. RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER, WHAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE, IT WAS HARD FOR US TO MAKE THAT FINDING THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD SEE THAT WAS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE IS THE LOCATION OF THE LOT. NOT HAVING A DIRECT NEIGHBOR ADJACENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WOULD IF THAT STANDARD WAS THERE FOR A TEN FOOT SETBACK BECAUSE OF A VISUAL CONCERN, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THERE. RIGHT? THAT IS KIND OF THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD THINK OF, OF A WAY TO SUPPORT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR AS STAFF, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS THE REASON TO APPROVE THE FINDING. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE COULD PREPARE A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT IT IF WE WERE TO DO IT. I THINK UNLESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD OTHER IDEAS THAT THEY WANTED TO SUPPORT THE VARIANCE. AND YOU DID, SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. AND YOU DID MENTION THAT YOU CHECKED IN WITH THE NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? THAT THEY THEY SHARE THE FENCE WITH OR ACROSS THE IT'S THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH. SO IF YOU SEE THE RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA, THE PROPERTY JUST ABOVE, THEY CALLED US, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING WAS ABOUT AND LET THEM KNOW. AND THEY SAID YEAH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE VARIANCE. OKAY. WELL I YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY KIND OF KEPT ON BUILDING AFTER THEY WERE SITED.
THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT GETS TRICKY BECAUSE THERE ARE REGULATIONS IN THE CITY AND I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S THEIR BACKYARD. IT LOOKS NICE. THEY WANT IT BECAUSE NICE AFTERNOONS.
HOWEVER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY FOR THEM TO JUST COME AND GET THE PERMIT AFTER THE CITATION.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT GETS A LITTLE IFFY. I MEAN, IT'S TWO. THERE'S TWO WAYS TO APPROACH IT.
EITHER WE APPROVE THE PROJECT OR WE HAVE THEM TAKE IT DOWN. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE FOR THEM TO TAKE IT DOWN IF THEY'VE ALREADY MADE THE INVESTMENT AND THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE FINE, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT'S NECESSARY TO BRING IT UP TO COMPLIANCE. SO BUT THAT JUST FOLLOWS, LIKE, IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING? LIKE
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IT'S OKAY, YOU CAN JUST BUILD IT AND THEN WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST PAY A FINE LATER. WELL, THE ONLY THING WHY DID IT TAKE TWO YEARS FOR THE CITY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER SUBMITTED A BUILDING PERMIT AND STAFF REQUIRED A TEN FOOT SETBACK. BUT THEN IT TOOK TWO YEARS FOR THERE TO BE THE VARIANCE. APPLICATION. SO WE WOULD I CHECKED WE HAD PROVIDED A CORRECTION LETTER IN MAY TEN, 2022. THEY CAME IN AND SAID, WE WANT THIS PATIO AT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK. WE SAID THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO MEET THE TEN FOOT SETBACK. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE YOU KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T COME IN. THEY WERE PROBABLY LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T MOVE THE PATIO RIGHT THERE WAS THAT CONCERN, RIGHT? SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE MADE IT. BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. MAYBE WE COULD SPEAK A BIT MORE ON THAT. OKAY. WITH THE APPLICANT, LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES, SURE. COME ON.FORWARD. ESPANOL. NO ESTA BIEN. SO ADELANTE. POQUITO LA HISTORIA DETRAS PORQUE AQUI DE POR QUÉ TOMO HASTA DOS ANOS DESPUÉS DEL VARIANCE. SI SO LUEGO COVID Y LA CIUDAD ESTABA CERRADA VERDAD EN EL VEINTE PARA 2021. YO TENIA UN DINERO YA AHORA DE MUCHOS ANOS VERDAD DE MUCHOS ANOS PARA PONER EN MI CASA Y HACER ESTO. TENGO CUATRO NINOS Y CUANDO SE DICE QUÉ NO ES UNA NECESIDAD. SI ES UNA NECESIDAD DE TENER CUATRO NINOS METIDO EN UNA CASA EN UN VERANO ES DURO. SO Y UN PATIO COMO ESTA MI CASA COMO ESTABA NO ME SERVIR A ME PARA MI. YO TENGO UN NINO CON AUTISMO QUIERE ESTAR AFUERA. TODO EL DIA. ESO NO LO HICE POR RESUMIR PORQUE NO TENGO NADA NO TENGO NADA. NA QUIERO HACER EL SHOWOFF DE QUÉ. PERO SI ME ASEGURATE TENGO UNA FOTO. AQUI. SI LA QUIEREN VER PORQUE NO TAMBIÉN SE LAS PUEDO TENER. NO. ELLA NO. OKAY. YOU WANT ME TO PASS IT AROUND. YEAH OKAY OKAY. PORQUE LAS IMAGENES NO SE TRATA. SO CONTINUANDO EN EL CUANDO CUANDO CON ENFORCEMENT LLEGA A LA PRIMERA VEZ ME NOS ESTAMOS. ESE PROBLEMA. LA CIUDAD ESTABA AMIN. NO SÉ QUÉ PERMISO PORQUE LA CIUDAD ESTABA CERRADA. THAT WAS THE ESO. FUE LO UNICO. NO NO ME DIJO Y EL PERMISO HABIA EMPEZADO O SI YA TENGO EL DINERO A COMPRAR MATERIAL ANTES DE CUANDO YO LA CIUDAD. YA HABIA HECHO TODO EL TODO ESE GASTO AHORA. SO LA CIUDAD NO ESTABA CERRADA. SI NO SÉ SI AQUI TIENEN DE CUANDO ABRIR OTRA VEZ. NO NO SÉ SI LO TENGAN EN REGISTRO. NO. PERO ESO ESO FUE EL PASO A MI DESPUÉS DE ESO. DIERON LAS CITATIONS. FUI YO LA CIUDAD Y NO SE FUERON. NO NO NO RECUERDO.
CUANDO. ME FUI UNA SEGUNDA VEZ Y SE LO ADRIAN A TUVE LAS EXPERIENCIAS EN LA CIUDAD DE ESA. ES UNA PERSONA Q YO CONOCIA. PERO POR SUPUESTO NO NO NO. LE DABA YO CREO SE SINTIO CON CONFIANZA DE DARME CAROLA O NO SÉ COMO SE DICE, PERO ME EMPEZO A PONER EL MAL CON LA GENTE ESTABA. SO YO SABES QUÉ MEJOR VUELVO DESPUÉS. QUÉ NO ES ESTO. YA PARA HACER. EN ESTO YA NUNCA. PERO ME ESTUVE YO MANTENIENDO. YO TENGO HEMOS Q. ESTOY MANDANDO A DIFERENTES OFICIALES DE LA CIUDAD Q QUERRIA RESOLVER. ESO FUE FUE UN UNO DOS DOS TRES RECUERDO LOS NOMBRES AHI OPPENHEIMER Y TODO PARA UN VARIANCE APPLICATION VARIANCE. PERO HABLABA YO LA CIUDAD NO ME DABAN AS OPCIONES. SO ESO VA CON PORQUE ESTADO TANTO MENCIONAR MAS Q NO Y HABLABA CON LA MAS.
SI CALIFAS YA LO HICE OTRAS PERSONAS CONSTRUIDO OTRA COSA NO IGUAL A LA MIA ME DESEAN APLICA.
PERO SI SI CALIFAS, PERO VOLVIO A LA CIUDAD Y ME NO ME. ESA OPTION LA ULTIMA VEZ. QUÉ HABLÉ NO ME DIERON ESA OPCIONES. HASTA QUÉ. YO TENGO HEMOS DE VARIAS PERSONAS INCLUYENDO EL ALCALDE INCLUYENDO VARIAS PERSONAS COMO PUEDO HACER. YO NO QUIERO HACER ENEMIGO DE LA CIUDAD. PERO ME ESTOY VIENDO MAL YA NO DOSCIENTOS DE LOS DE LOS TAXIS DEL VEINTIDOS. YO NO SOY RICO
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DIA CON DIA A MI ESPOSA TRABAJAR TAMBIÉN TODOS LOS DIAS PARA MANTENER A LOS HIJOS. SO YA DEBEMOS OTROS OTROS OTRO DINERO Y CUANDO DICEN YO NO COMIENZA NO PARA CONSTRUIR LA PRIMERA ME DIERON VALORES EL PATIO YA ESTABA CONSTRUIDO NO TENIA NO TENIA HECHO. PERO YO TENIA LAS TECAS AHI LISTAS. PERO CUANDO YO PARA PARA ESO DESPUÉS DE SEIS MESES Q NO OPTION MIS ESTABAN ARRIBA SE ME VAN A CAER MIS NINOS TODOS LOS DIAS JUEGAN AHI YO PONERLOS PORQUE NO ME DABA NADA DE OPTION. YO TENGO VARIOS DIGO PUES AYUDA SIEMPRE BUSCANDO AYUDA. MAS DE DOS ANOS BUSCANDO AYUDA Q ME RESOLVEN ESO SOY ANIMAL LES Q MI INTENTION NO ES NUNCA VOY A HACER UN MAL A LA CIUDAD CON TODOS. MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN SO TODOS ME APOYAN YA MUCHOS ME HAN DICHO ESTADO LLAMANDO JESUS PORQUE AHI ESTA CARTA DE LA CIUDAD POR EL PROBLEMA DE TODOS. YA SABEN Q TENGO ESA PROBLEMA CON EL PATIO. YA ME HAN DICHO JUNTO A FIRMAS Y TODOS ESTABAMOS APOYADO NO YO TENGO FE Q ELLOS ME VAN A APOYAR PORQUE NO EL PATIO NO ESTA YO LO UNICO Q UNA VEZ RECUERDO Q SI ME PUSE A DISCUTIR NO A DISCUTIR FUE CON EL J. PORQUE ESO ESTA PONIENDO TAN DIFICILES L Q ME ME PIDAS CINCO PIES MANOS O Q ME MUEVA ME VA EVITAR Q TIEMBLA NO SE O ESTÉ A SALVO. ES NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. EL PATIO ESTA CONSTRUIDO CORRECTAMENTE SI. SO EL Q NO ENTIENDO. YO NADA MAS.ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FOR THE HOMEOWNER? NO TENGO UNA PREGUNTA PORQUE SI ESTAMOS AQUI PORQUE NO SE ACABO PERMISO. NO CORRECTO. ES LA COSA ES LO DIGO YO LO UNICO Q. NO SÉ QUÉ. PORQUE LA CIUDAD ESTABA EN ESE ENTONCES. YO PUEDO UNO TIENE UN DIA LA CIUDAD CORRECTO NO CORRECTO.
AUNQUE CON COVID NO SE VA A PASAR. SI. PERO SI YO YO CONOZCO MI ERROR Q Q S FUE MI ERROR.
PERO SI DECIA YO YO YO YO HE VISTO OTROS CASOS Q DICEN PUES VAMOS A HACER EL PERMISO A SERIES LE HACE ESA CON PERMISO Q YA IGUAL FUE CONSTRUIDOS SIN PERMISO. PERO QUIERO YO SIEMPRE QUIERO ESTAR YO SIEMPRE QUERIDO SERVIR A EL PUEBLO. DONDE ESTOY SIEMPRE ESTOY INVOLUCRADO EN UN GRUPO DE JOVENES Y AYUDADO A GENTE AYUDADO A JOVENES IGUAL Q YO SOLO AHORA ESTOY Q TENGO DOS ANOS EN ESTA POSITION. LO SIENTO COMO Q. SOY UN AMIGO DE LA CIUDAD Y NO QUIERO HACER ASI.
NO, NO. ME SIENTO BIEN ESTAR ASI VERDAD Y PUES NOSOTROS NO QUIERO NO QUEREMOS SER ENEMIGOS.
QUEREMOS SER AMIGOS. NO CORRECTO. PERO LA COSA MAS IMPORTANTE DE SER PROMOTERS DE DEE GORDON TAMBIÉN SI ES LA COSA DIFICIL NO Q AHORITA ESTAMOS AQUI POR MEDIO DE UN ERROR Y SI SI SI. PERO LO Q NECESITAMOS ES ES PROMOTERS Y SEVEN VECINOS E. Y TAMBIÉN EN EL ORDEN Y LA ES MUY IMPORTANTE. TODOS QUEREMOS EN LA CIUDAD EN VIVIENDA. NO VIBRANT CITY Y LA MANERA COMO LLEGAR. AHI ES ES CON ORDEN. MUCHAS GRACIAS. ANY COMMENTS. GRACIAS. GRACIAS POR EXPLICAR TODO POR ESO ESTOY PREGUNTANDO PORQUE POR UNA RAZON O LA OTRA. PUES LAS COSAS PASAN. PERO COMO COMO CON TODO LO QUÉ PASA. PUES. UNA PERSONA HACIA UNA COSA. LA OTRA PERSONA DECIA LA OTRA Y PUES PUES PARA EL TIEMPO DAMAS Y QUERRIA DECIR Q SI TIENE TODO ESOS ESOS CORREOS Y TODO NO SÉ SI HABLAR CON CON ADRIAN Y DE ESTA SITUACION PORQUE NO TUVO Q PASADO TANTO TIEMPO Y NO ESTA CORRECTO Q POR CUALQUIER RAZON ESTUVIERA PASADO EN LA CIUDAD DE LA INFORMACION PORQUE OBVIO PASANDO SUS PROBLEMAS SI LA GENTE ESTA TENIENDO ESTA EXPERIENCIA CUANDO EN LA CIUDAD.
ENTONCES SI VAMOS PUEDES PONER LOS PUES TODO LO TIENE TODO LO Q TIENE Y NO NO NECESARIAMENTE PUES AYUDA A ESTA PASANDO AHORITA LO ESTA ESCUCHANDO. PERO SIMPLEMENTE PARA SI OTRA PERSONA ESTA EN LA MISMA SITUACION COMO COMUNIDAD Q PUES YA YA ESTA AHI PORQUE NO QUEREMOS Q SEA PASANDO ESTO Y PUES PERO SI SINTIENDO Y GRACIAS POR ESTAR AQUI. GRACIAS. ANY COMMENTS. QUESTIONS SIR.
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MUCHAS GRACIAS GRACIAS GRACIAS. SO MY ISSUES OR MY DILEMMA IS RIGHT. WE CONTINUE TO ENCOUNTER, YOU KNOW, UNPERMITTED STRUCTURE. RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU KNOW WE IT'S KIND OF BEEN THE THEME THIS YEAR SPECIFICALLY. RIGHT. WE DEALT WITH IT WITH A HOMEOWNER SEEKING A VARIANCE TO BUILD AN ADU. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SETUP. RIGHT. THEY THEY NEEDED A SETBACK AND YOU KNOW, I'M I THINK THERE IS A NEED A HUGE NEED TO HAVE A CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE, RIGHT, THAT, YOU KNOW, LETTING LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE, WHAT IS THE BUILDING REQUIREMENT, ETC.AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AWARE, RIGHT. NUMBER ONE, THAT THAT THIS IS A VERY COMMON ISSUE. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, FROM BEING IN THIS POSITION. IT'S A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION. RIGHT. BECAUSE HE'S MY POTENTIALLY COULD BE MY NEIGHBOR. RIGHT.
HE'S NOT MY NEIGHBOR. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE SOMEONE IN MY COMMUNITY HAS AN UNPERMITTED STRUCTURE AND OR UNPERMITTED PAVER, ETC. RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING AN INTERESTING PREDICAMENT. WE'VE GOT OUR BACK AGAINST THE WALL AND HAVING TO MAKE THE BEST, MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR OUR CITIES. AND AS MUCH AS I WANT TO RULE, I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THESE ISSUES ARE FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADDRESS. RIGHT. THAT'S THESE ARE NEIGHBORLY NEIGHBORLY ISSUES, PERHAPS.
RIGHT. THESE ARE COUNCIL ISSUES, RIGHT? THAT THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THEMSELVES. I THINK THAT US AS A COMMISSION SHOULD BE REALLY IMPLEMENTING VISION, RIGHT? AND INCENTIVIZING OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS MEMBERS TO DO THE RIGHT THING. RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO OFFERING EXIT AND OR LOOPHOLES.
RIGHT. AND FIGURING OUT, ALL RIGHT, WELL, WHERE CAN WE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, WHERE CAN WE, YOU KNOW, BRING YOU UP TO PAR? I KNOW IT'S THERE. IT EXISTS. RIGHT. BUT YOU CAN'T WIN HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF WE SAY NO, WE HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN. YOU KNOW, HE LOSES OUT ON POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME $15,000. AND NOW IF YOU WERE TO CONSTRUCT THIS THING, HE'S PROBABLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 25 JUST BECAUSE WHERE IT'S AT NOW. RIGHT. AND WHY WOULD YOU HOW COULD YOU JUSTIFY THAT. YOU KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
IT'S CONSTANTLY HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE AND WE GOT TO STOP THAT. WE GOT TO GET AHEAD OF IT, MAN. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE EVERYBODY RIGHT, MAKE EVERYBODY WHOLE AND START FROM, LIKE, LITERALLY SCRATCH AND START A NEW AND REALLY, REALLY BE ON THIS CAMPAIGN AND INFORM EACH AND EVERY PERSON, WHETHER IT BE A MAILER, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISEMENT, INSTAGRAM, WHATEVER. YOU JUST GOT TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE GOT A VISION FOR OUR CITY WITH THAT. THERE'S ALSO AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, WHEN WE'VE ENCOUNTERED OTHER SIMILAR AGENDA ITEMS. BUT WHAT IS AND I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU GUYS TO KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT WHAT DOES A CITY HAVE HANDY FOR WHEN RESIDENTS ENCOUNTER THESE SORT OF ISSUES? RIGHT? IS THERE A DIRECT. BECAUSE I WILL SAY, AND JUST FROM EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON OUR WEBSITE AND ALL, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE AND LOOK FOR A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. SO IS THERE AN EASY, STRAIGHTFORWARD A-B-C PLAN? RIGHT, FOR HOW CAN I GO ABOUT THIS SO THAT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO FIND THE INFORMATION CAN FIND IT AND DOESN'T HAVE TO RELY ON A STAFF MEMBER AND A SPECIFIC STAFF MEMBER TO GET THEM THAT? BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT I PEOPLE ARE MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE ON THINGS AND THEY MAY NOT GET ALONG, BUT IT SHOULD NEVER COME TO WHERE IT DELAYS ISSUES, RIGHT? WHERE SOMEBODY DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING SOMEWHERE OR WHATEVER IT BE. BUT IF WE WERE TO MAKE THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE ONLINE, LIKE WE HAVE WITH OUR CODES, BUT OF COURSE WE RUN INTO SOME OTHER ISSUES, THEN I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THE CITY AND THAT'S THE STAFF HAS DONE TO EDUCATE RESIDENTS, THE ACADEMY'S RIGHT AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN MOVING TOWARDS, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME TOOLS THERE THAT
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CAN BE APPLIED TO SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. SO THE SOLUTION IS THERE. THE SOLUTION IS THERE.IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO DIFFICULT TO APPLY LIKE IT'S THE ANSWER IS THERE. BUT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE WHERE THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING. SO WE COULD START BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT IT AND NOT KEEP REACTING THE WAY THAT WE ARE NOW. WHEN. SO WE CAN DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU BOTH MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT MORE INFORMATION. AND YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THINGS EASIER. OR MOST PEOPLE GOING TO GONNA KNOW HOW TO SIFT THROUGH THE CODE TO FIND WHAT THEY NEED FROM HOME. THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND TALK TO SOMEONE. IF YOU REMEMBER THE ILLUSTRATION WE SHOWED LAST TIME WITH THE CODE, CODE ABOUT THE LOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OPTION COULD BE RIGHT. LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY VISUAL LEARNERS, RIGHT? SO BEING ABLE TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO THIS RIGHT ON YOUR LOT, YOU CAN'T HAVE THA. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS MORE, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. RIGHT, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH VARIOUS CHAPTERS. ON THE OTHER HAND, TOO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TEN FOOT REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE PRIMARY HOME AND THE DETACHED STRUCTURE. NOW, WE WERE WONDERING, OKAY, THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, THAT STANDARD IS PROBABLY THERE FROM COULD BE 30 YEARS AGO, RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE WE WERE WONDERING, WELL, WHAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND IT WAS THE INTENT TO REDUCE CLUTTER IN THE BACKYARD. WAS THE INTENT FOR SAFETY. BUT WE DID FIND OUT THAT IT'S NOT A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE BUILDING. RIGHT? IT DOESN'T CREATE THAT ISSUE. WAS IT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA? RIGHT. SO ANOTHER THING, ASIDE FROM THE DECISION YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE HERE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER IS ALSO, IF THAT STANDARD MAKES SENSE FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL. RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE IT'S TEN FEET FROM 30 YEARS AGO DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE MAKE SENSE. MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TODAY. YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR CODES DON'T SAY WHY THEY WERE NECESSARILY ADOPTED. SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD THINK OF IS REALLY THIS ISSUE OF NOT HAVING CLUTTER OR A LOT OF CLOSE STRUCTURES TO EACH OTHER AND MAYBE VISUALLY, THAT IS A REASON WHY THAT STANDARD IS THERE. BUT SO THAT'S ONE COMMENT. SO CAN YOU JUST CAN YOU JUST AT THIS POINT JUST CALIFORNIA BACK INTO THE TO THE ROOF. YEAH. TECHNICALLY YOU COULD BRIDGE THE GAP. YEAH. I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT. LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. LIKE THAT'S JUST A SOLUTION THAT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CAN DO THERE. THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN ACTUALLY. NO. THAT'S WHY THE CONCERN THEN BECOMES ATTACHED. RIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S NOT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THE SETBACKS. RIGHT. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AGAIN. THEY NEED A TEN FOOT SETBACK. HE NEEDS HE NEEDS A TEN FOOT SETBACK FOR FROM STRUCTURE TO PERMANENT STRUCTURE. YEAH. BUT IF YOU ATTACH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO THE DETACHED, I THINK THEY NEED IT. IF IT BECOMES PART OF LIKE THE PRIMARY UNIT, THE DESIGN CHANGES, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAD BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER. THE REAR SETBACK WON'T MEET THE OTHER REAR SETBACK. SO HE'S GOT TWO ISSUES HERE. RIGHT.
WHEN IS THE REAR SETBACK ISSUE WHICH IS THERE'S A VARIANCE THERE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE SOUGHT AFTER. AND THEN HE NEEDS THE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING. IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HE MADE IT AN ADU BECAUSE THEN THE STATE STANDARD ALLOWS FOR THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK 4FT OR 4 FOOT SETBACK. RIGHT? SO ANYWAY, DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE'RE TRYING HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT DOES IT DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE LIKE ARE WE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THAT THOSE SORT OF SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING CHANGE? WELL THAT'S WHAT HE MENTIONED EARLIER. NO.
YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S MY QUESTION. ARE WE ABLE TO OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD INITIATE SOME CODE AMENDMENTS TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE. THAT DOESN'T HELP THIS CASE. NO, NO, HE'S STILL RACKING UP EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS TO PAY. AND HE ALREADY MENTIONED $1,200 OF EVERYTHING AND BUT WELL, WHERE ARE THOSE? ARE THOSE $1,200? ARE YOUR ARE YOUR FINES FOR OR IS IT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, 100 FOR THE VARIANCE APPLICATION. SO THEY DO HAVE TO PAY A FEE FOR THE VARIANCE APPLICATION. WHAT WAS CAN I SPEAK TO YOU. YEAH, HE'S ALREADY ADMITTED THAT HE MADE A MISTAKE
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AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS. YOU KNOW, SO HE'S WILLING TO PAY THE FINE, GET THE PERMIT.YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALREADY WEIGHED IN. FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN CONCERNS. SO IT WOULD BE REASONABLE OR JUST HAVE THEM TAKE IT DOWN ONE AT A TIME.
AND I'M SORRY. WE HAD A JUST A COMMENTARY. SO NO, NO. LOOK FOR THE CITATIONS. LAS PRIMERAS DURANTE EL DURANTE ESE ANO. SO EL IRAS NOS ESO HOLD UP NOSOTROS TAXIS POR CIENTO AHORITA YA TENEMOS OTRA CUENTA PERO ESO YO EL ESTADO BUSCANDO AYUDA DESDE LAS PRIMERAS DESDE LOS PRIMEROS OCHENTA DOLARES PARA LA CIUDAD SOY YO. YO YO YO YO YA NO PARA CUANDO YO YO YO YO YO YO PERO YO PERO PERO NO SABIA YO ME VOY A ESTAR LLEGANDO. MAS. CITATIONS OKAY. HASTA AQUI UNA SOLUCION TIENES QUÉ HACER. GO THIS ROUTE. PERO NO FUE ASI. OBVIAMENTE YO YO. NO YO NO SOY UN ESPERTO EN COMO FUNCIONA EN LA CASA DE LA CIUDAD Y CADA PUESTO TODO LO TIENE QUÉ MOVERSE SOY YO. PENSÉ CON ESO. OKAY. SEE ME TENGO ESPERAR HASTA UNA SOLUCION. QUÉ PUEDO HACER ESTO. QUÉ ES YO SOY YO PARA POR SEIS MESES. CUANDO YO ME ESTABAN LLEGANDO. OTRAS CARTAS HABIA OTROS CIENTOS DOLARES. Y COMO ESTA ESTO. SO OBVIAMENTE YO NO ESTABA ENTENDIENDO EL SISTEMA VERDAD.
PERO NUNCA AQUI SE TRABAJAR EN CONTRA DEL SISTEMA. SIMPLEMENTE. YO TUVE MALAS EXPERIENCIAS AHI EN LAS OFICINAS Y SE TRATA DE BUSCAR AYUDA POR FUERA VERDAD Y LA PRIMERA CITATION PERSONALMENTE. AHI ESTA. PERO NUNCA PARA LAS CITATIONS. SO DESPUÉS FUE CUANDO ME GUITARRON Y AHORITA TENGO OTRA CANTIDAD. ESO ES APARTE DE LO PAGAMOS POR EL VARIATION PROCESS PARA LA APLICACION. QUÉ TAMBIÉN FUERON DOS MIL DOLARES. SO. Y YO TENIA AHORITA ESTABAN HABLANDO. YO TENGO ENTENDIDO POR UN DETACH DE UN LADO. TIENE CUATRO CINCO PIES. Y DEL OTRO LADO LOS DIEZ PIES COMO SI SI ME PEGO. YO A MI CASA. TENGO ESTAR DESPUÉS DEL NEIGHBOR. AHORA EL NO NO NO ENTIENDO. POR QUÉ ESO ASI COMO ESTA DETACHED. PUEDO ESTAR CINCO PIES DE UN LADO Y DE MI CASA O DEL NEIGHBOR. PERO NO DE LOS DOS LADOS. PERO SI LA TENGO ESTAR DESPUÉS DE. COMO POR QUÉ ESTA ESO. ASI COMO. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT. QUÉ ES EL PROPOSITO DE. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. MORE CONSEQUENCES. ALL RIGHT. GRACIAS. GRACIAS. ANY QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FOR THE DIRECTOR AND OR THE STAFF. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE DESIRE HERE OF THIS COMMISSION? WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? CAN I GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION? THAT WE CALL, LIKE, THE ALTERNATIVE.
IF YOU WERE NOT TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM AND WE'LL BRING. WE WOULD BRING BACK THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL. SO BUT AND WE WOULD WANT SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU ON SOME OF THE FINDINGS. RIGHT. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION STANDS FROM US BECAUSE FROM OUR REVIEW, THE FINDINGS, WE FELT WE CAN MAKE THEM RIGHT. AND SO IF WE MOTION. TO. TO ADOPT OR TO MOVE TOWARDS A VARIANCE, WE'D HAVE TO PROVIDE FINDINGS FOR IT. WE CAN PREPARE WORK START WORKING ON ON SOME OF THEM. BUT WE WOULD LIKE SOME SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT SOME OF THE FINDINGS COULD BE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. OKAY. I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN UNPOPULAR STATEMENT AT THE MOMENT, BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT FUTURE FINES ARE STILL STILL ACCRUING? IS THERE A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY TO PAY $2,000? I MEAN, AGAIN, I'LL FIND EL MOVIMIENTO PIENSO YO ENTENDEMOS UNA ESTRUCTURA Y LEGALMENTE. ESTE. YOU SHOULD DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS
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TO STAFF. SO, SO THAT THAT HE MADE THE STRUCTURE ILLEGALLY. RIGHT. BUT BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT'S, IT'S COSTING HIM. I THINK AT THIS POINT AS MUCH AS IT WOULD COST HIM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY. BUT GOING BACK TO CHAIR HERNANDEZ'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT THAT HAVE DONE THIS AND THEN HAVEN'T GOT CAUGHT RIGHT. AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, THEY EITHER GOT HAVEN'T GOTTEN CAUGHT OR IF THEY THEY ARE CAUGHT, THEY'RE EITHER DEMOLISHED LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT END UP JUST TAKING IT DOWN OR MAKING THE MODIFICATION REALLY. BUT THEN WOULDN'T THIS WOULDN'T THIS? DIRECTOR, ARE YOU SERIOUS? WERE YOU JUST HAPPENED? YEAH. I MEAN, THE CODE CASE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED IF IT'S A CODE CASE, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE JUST CHOOSING TO TAKE IT DOWN? IT DEPENDS ON, LIKE, WHAT THE CODE CASE IS, RIGHT? SO. WELL, DOESN'T THIS KIND OF IN A WAY DETER PEOPLE FROM EVEN WANTING TO COME TO THE CITY IN THE FIRST PLACE? WELL, I BUILT A PATIO. I DID IT THROUGH THE CITY. YEAH, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT WORKS. THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND.YEAH. THEY DO. YEAH, BUT IF WE'RE NOT MAKING IT EASY FOR PEOPLE EITHER. SO THIS THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSTRUCTING BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO CONSTRUCT AND THEY KNOW HOW TO CONSTRUCT BECAUSE THEY SOMEHOW ALONG THE LINES THEY CONSTRUCTED THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS. RIGHT. EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN OUR PROFESSIONAL LIVES, EVERYTHING AS WE DO AS PROFESSIONALS, THERE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE ADHERE TO. IF YOU'RE AN EDUCATOR, YOU GOT TO GET CREDENTIALED. YOU'RE AN ENGINEER. YOU GOT TO HAVE A STAMP. YOU'RE A LITIGATOR. ATTORNEY. YOU GOT TO PASS THE BAR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT FLYING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS. YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE CAN WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE. WE REALLY CAN. RIGHT. WE REALLY CAN'T CONTINUE. AND WE CAN. MICKEY MOUSE ALL WE WANT TO. BUT I WILL CAUTION YOU THAT WE CAN'T HAVE SOME SET OF RULES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND ANOTHER SET OF RULES FOR OUR COMMERCIAL PARTNERS AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS THAT COME AND INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO YOUR CITY EACH AND EVERY DAY. AND THAT REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. AND WE WERE ASKING FOR WE'RE ASKING FOR THE BEST PROJECTS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GET FROM THEM. RIGHT? WE LOOKED AT EXTENDING A CUP OR A TRACK MAP OF THIS BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? BEAUTIFUL SPANISH RENAISSANCE STYLE. RIGHT. AND WE WEIGHED IN HEAVILY ON THAT DESIGN. RIGHT.
AND WE ASKED AND SO THAT'S KIND OF MY ISSUE HERE. RIGHT. LIKE, WE CAN'T HAVE ONE SET OF RULES FOR RESIDENTS AND ANOTHER SET OF RULES FOR COMMERCIAL INVESTORS THAT COME INTO OUR CITY, YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT'S WHY FOR ME, IT'S LIKE, THIS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST ISSUES THAT WE THAT WE FACE AS A COMMISSION. AND I'D RATHER HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLVE IT. AND SO BUT LIKE, WE CAN. WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE HERE. YEAH. I BUT MY, MY, MY ISSUE IS THE, THE VARIANCE.
AND HE'S TRYING TO CORRECT IT AND HE'S TRYING TO CORRECT IT. HE'S ALREADY PAID HIS FINES. NOT ONLY THE VARIANCE HE'S PAID THE VIOLATIONS WHATEVER THEY WERE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPLICATED. WHAT I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I THINK HE REALIZES THAT NOW. YEAH, HE REALIZES THAT HE JUST TOLD YOU.
I THINK PERHAPS WE DO THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AT THE CITY AND COULDN'T RESOLVE IT DURING COVID. AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE IT TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY'LL WEIGH IN AND THEY'LL PROBABLY GET IT APPROVED FOR SURE. AND I'D RATHER HAVE I'D RATHER HAVE THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ESTABLISH SOME INTEGRITY ON THIS, ON THIS COMMISSION. CAN WE CAN WE MAKE A REQUEST TO PAUSE THE FINES THAT ARE RACKING UP WHILE THIS GETS RESOLVED? THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, BUT I THINK I THINK THEY'RE PAUSED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO FREEZE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FINES, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SET IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO WHATEVER THE MUNICIPAL CODE IS, WHAT WOULD APPLY. OKAY. SO WHATEVER. SO THEN IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE PAUSING, THAT MEANS THE MOMENT THAT THEY BEGIN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR THE VARIANCE, THEN THEY END UP GETTING PAUSE. IT SEEMS LIKE AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK. BUT THAT SHOULD BE WHAT'S HAPPENING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT TO GET BACK TO YOUR POINT, IN SAYING LIKE IF IT HAS TO GO BACK, IT'S JUST THINKING OF THE JUST KIND OF FINANCIAL HARDSHIP OF EVERYTHING, OF ALL OF THIS RACKING UP AND JUST WANTING TO CLOSE THE CHAPTER. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT FEELS LIKE WE CAN'T EXPECT TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF EVERYONE. AND I DON'T THINK WE I DON'T THINK WE ARE
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TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE PAY THE FEES. I TOTALLY I TOTALLY GET IT. YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST OR THE LAST. RIGHT. WHICH BLOCK DO YOU WANT TO SIT ON? I DON'T THAT'S WHY I WANT TO PUNT THIS ISSUE. LIKE THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THING FOR ME. I'D RATHER I'D RATHER PUNT SHADE STRUCTURES. IF I, IF I COULD CHIME IN THE VARIANCE PROCESS. THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. AND IT'S A PROCESS THAT THE MUNICIPAL CODE SPECIFICALLY GIVES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT'S A POWER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE VARIANCES. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CHIMES IN WHEN IT COMES TO A VARIANCE IS IF YOU GUYS DENY IT OR YOU GUYS APPROVE A VARIANCE, AND THEN SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY, THE APPLICANT, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN AGGRIEVED BY THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE, THEN APPEALS IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.SO IT'S A POWER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S THAT'S HERE. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE NUMBER.
SO BE BEFORE YOU DO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT YOU PROVIDE SOME FINDINGS IN ORDER TO OVERTURN THE RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THE FINDINGS ARE THAT HE'S ALREADY PAID THE VARIANCE. HE'S PAID THE FINE, WHATEVER IT IS TO THE CITY TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY WEIGHED IN AND SAID THAT THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALSO WEIGHED IN, SAID THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM. SO I THINK FOR PEACE OF MIND, I KNOW IT'S IT WAS A MISTAKE THEY MADE. THEY ALREADY ADMITTED IT. THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WORKED WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AT THE CITY AND IT DIDN'T GET RESOLVED DURING COVID. YOU KNOW, THIS IS YEARS LATER TRYING TO GET THIS THING RESOLVED. AND PEACE OF MIND. I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE FIX. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WASN'T THE RIGHT APPROACH. YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE AND OVER WITH. YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MOVE ON WITH I.
IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE ON. MORE BUREAUCRACY TO CITY COUNCIL. HE JUST SAID THAT WE HAVE THE POWER TO RESOLVE THIS. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE FINDINGS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE. AND IF WE DON'T WANT THEM, THEN IT WILL GO ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT SO BEFORE THERE'S A SECOND, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF HAS ENOUGH.
FINDINGS, FACTS IN ORDER TO REVERSE THEIR FINDINGS. WE HAVE ENOUGH. I THINK WHAT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, THE ONLY THING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS, WAS PROBABLY THE BEST FINDING TO SUPPORT THE VARIANCE WAS ITS LOCATION AND NOT HAVING A DIRECT NEIGHBOR. RIGHT. SO IT'S BUILT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT. AND SO IF THERE WAS THE INTENT FOR THE TEN FOOT SETBACK WAS AN ESTHETIC IMPACT. THERE IS NO IMPACT TO AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR.
WELL, WE HAVE THAT THAT ALSO. AND THEN YOU SAID THE NEIGHBORS HAVE WEIGHED IN AND THERE WAS NO MAJOR CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBOR. AND THERE ACTUALLY AND I THINK THAT IS SOME GOOD SUPPORT FOR, FOR THIS AS WELL, THAT THE NEIGHBORS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY SUPPORT THEM. AND IF THEY NEED A LETTER, HE'LL GET LETTERS FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS TO MOVE ON. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE OKAY. SO THE APPROVAL WE CAN APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE SAID IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ARVISO. YES, COMMISSIONER FONSECA. I ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR.
GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR HERNANDEZ. NO. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU. AND THEN. SO WE WILL NEED TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE APPROVED RESOLUTION. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEY'LL COME BACK. THAT ONE COULD BE A NON HEARING ITEM.
SINCE WE ALREADY DID THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO IS THAT THE FINAL ITEM I JUST CRASHED. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. COOL. I'M MOVING OVER TO CLOSING COMMENTS. JUST WANTED TO
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UPDATE THE COMMISSION. THERE WAS AN ITEM THAT WENT TO COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE THE COMMISSION, LIKE RENEWALS OR APPLICATION PROCESS, BECAUSE THERE'S, I THINK, FOUR EXPERT TERMS THAT ARE ENDING. SO IN THOSE OFFICIALLY END IN NOVEMBER, SO OFFICIALLY EXPIRED, BUT IT'S CONTINUED UNTIL THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THE NEW COMMISSION. SO THEY DID DECIDE TO THEY DID REQUEST TO CONSIDER THIS LATER AFTER THE ELECTION. SO I GUESS THE NEXT COUNCIL[01:20:01]
MEETING, I THINK THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN. BUT BASICALLY WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOUR TERMS WOULD BE EXTENDED LIKELY UNTIL JANUARY BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS STILL. SO DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS CAN OFFICIALLY OPEN? I EXPECT THEY'LL MAKE THE CALL AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT WEEK ON WEDNESDAY. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY FOLLOW AFTER THE MEETING. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION IS AWARE OF WHAT THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE. THE NEXT THING I JUST WANT TO INFORM YOU ABOUT IS REALLY EXCITING NEWS. NOVEMBER 21ST ON THAT THURSDAY AT 5:00, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE RAIL STATION FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THIS IS THE PLANNED PASSENGER RAIL BETWEEN LA UNION STATION TO ANAHEIM TO REDLANDS, RIVERSIDE TO. WITH THAT THE END STATION AT COACHELLA. SO THIS IS THE BIG DEAL. THE IDEA OF THE RAIL STATION WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO AMTRAK TYPE SERVICES A DAY. INITIALLY, AND SO THAT WILL BE EXCITING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMES WOULD BE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING TO DO RIGHT? AND LIKELY THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT TEN YEARS AWAY WHEN SOMETHING IS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED. BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE STATION IS GOING TO GO, WHAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND WHAT THE LAND USE IS GOING TO BE AROUND IT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THREE SITES THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AT THAT PUBLIC MEETING. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ATTEND, AND WE INVITE THE PUBLIC AS WELL.THERE'LL BE FOOD, DAYCARE OR CHILDCARE AND PLENTY OF EXHIBITS TO TAKE A LOOK AT. ALL RIGHT.
AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? NO, SIR. I JUST GOT ONE STATEMENT. YOU GUYS DIDN'T SAY I'M SORRY. JUST. IF. QUESTION. GENERAL QUESTION. GOING BACK TO VARIANCE, IF WE DID WANT TO DISCUSS SETBACKS, IS THAT CITY OR CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT COULD PROBABLY BE A STUDY SESSION. I HAVE TO WRITE IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. YOU COULD GABRIEL CAN BRING AN ITEM TO YOU GUYS. BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE END WOULD BE THE ONE THAT HAS THE POWER TO AMEND. AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING, THEN IF WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE A STUDY SESSION AND TALK ABOUT IT JUST BECAUSE SINCE IT KEEPS COMING U, YOU COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE WE ARE BRINGING ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAD THE STUDY SESSION ABOUT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. AWESOME. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A REALLY GREAT YEAR. ALSO TO REALLY WELL DONE FOR THE ROMULUS AND DIA DE LOS MUERTOS.
RIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME GREAT ART PIECES THAT WERE FEATURED. ONE OF THE SOME OF THE ONES THAT WERE FEATURED AND HIGHLIGHTED WAS A PAPEL PICADO CROSSWALK. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SERVED THE CITY WELL IF WE WENT ALONG AND PLANTED THEM AROUND SEVENTH STREET. RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE VIBRANT AND THEMED AND CAN BE AN ATTRACTION LIKE PERMANENT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE NICE. YEAH. YOU'RE SO COOL. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.