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ALRIGHTY. TIME IS 602. I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN. ACTUALLY. BEGIN THE MEETING. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO A SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR OCTOBER 16TH, 2024. I WANT TO WELCOME ALL THOSE IN ATTENDANCE AND THOSE JOINING US ON ZOOM VIA THE INTERNET. AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO ASK THE VICE CHAIR, MR. VICE CHAIR, CAN YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I KNOW WE'RE JUST GONNA START. THANKS. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISTER VICE CHAIR. MISTER DIRECTOR, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER. SORRY. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER. MURILLO. PRESENT. VICE CHAIR GONZALEZ IS PRESENT.
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AND CHAIR. HERNANDEZ. PRESENT. AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? I MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. PERFECT. CAN WE GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ. YES. COMMISSIONER. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR.[APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES]
HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. AWESOME. MOVING OVER TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 2ND, 2024. GET A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 2ND, 2024. PERFECT. CAN WE GET A SECOND, PLEASE? I'LL SECOND THAT. COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ. YES. ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER FONSECA. YES. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. YES. VICE CHAIR. GONZALEZ. YES. AND CHAIR.HERNANDEZ. YES, SIR. MISTER DIRECTOR, ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS? NONE FROM STAFF.
ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO THE NEXT ITEM. OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM OF INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS IN WITHIN THE THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE AGENDA BUT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THEIR OF.
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. ANY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. THERE ARE NONE ONLINE. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO OPEN AND CLOSE AT 604. ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER TO REPORTS AND REQUESTS. NONE FROM STAFF CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR STUDY SESSION ON ITEM
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NUMBER TWO. MR. DIRECTOR. OKAY. SHORT PRESENTATION. WELL, NOT SHORT. IT'S NOT BE NEGATIVE HER.NOT SHORT, BUT IT'S OUR ONLY ITEM. SO. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS IS A STUDY SESSION. THIS CONTINUES SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD AROUND SOME OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE PAST. WE CAME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION. SO.
THESE ARE STREAMLINED CODE AMENDMENTS. SO OUR OUR ZONING CODE IS IN TITLE 17 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE. AND THAT INCLUDES ALL THE PERMITTED USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE CITY OF COACHELLA. SO THERE WAS A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL BACK IN 2022 OF DEVELOPING A WORK PROGRAM TO AMEND THE CODE FOR PURPOSES OF STREAMLINING AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. SO THERE WERE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE PRESENTED TO THEM, INCLUDING LOOKING AT SIDEWALK VENDING, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED, HOUSING LAW UPDATES, RESIDENTIAL FRONT YARDS, PARKING STANDARDS, SIGN ORDINANCE, SPECIAL EVENTS, RESIDENTIAL BLOCK, WALLS OF THE SUCH. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION. HERE'S ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE GOOD TO THINK ABOUT, AND I HAVE THIS THROUGHOUT ALL THE SLIDES, IS JUST KIND OF SEEING WHERE THE COMMISSION IS AROUND SOME OF THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. THAT WAY WE GET AN IDEA OF WHERE EVERYONE'S AT, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT
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VOTING ON IT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF GET YOUR IDEA OF WHERE YOU'RE AT, RIGHT? YOU MIGHT BE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU JUST REALLY SUPPORT SOMETHING. YOU THINK, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE. SO YOU MIGHT BE NEUTRAL. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD WITH NO REAL CHANGES, MAYBE YOU OPPOSE IT AND YOU WANT TO SEND IT BACK AND HAVE SOME CHANGES AND BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. OR MAYBE IT'S STRONGLY OPPOSED. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE CHANGES MADE TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. IF THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO USE, BUT I USED IT IN THE PAST AND IT'S A WAYS TO KIND OF GAUGE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THAT. SO I DID WANT TO START WITH THE FIRST ITEM AS THE BIG ITEM. AND THIS IS THE CANOPIES OVER DRIVEWAYS. SO I'LL GO INTO THE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. THIS HAS BEEN A AN ISSUE IN THE CITY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU KNOW CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO DRIVEWAY CANOPIES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED. BUT IT'S BEGAN TO PROLIFERATE IN THE CITY. IT'S A BIG CODE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. AND WE ONE, WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME LEVEL OF A CANOPY OVER A DRIVEWAY. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? OR DO WE JUST WANT TO PROHIBIT IT? ARE THERE INSTANCES WHERE IT DOES MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE IN A HOT ENVIRONMENT IN COACHELLA. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FLAT OUT NOT PERMITTING IT. ISN'T THE WAY TO GO. MAYBE THERE'S IN IN BETWEEN. SO BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. A LOT OF THESE STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN METAL STRUCTURES. WHAT WE'VE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THERE'S BEEN CONTRACTORS GOING AROUND TO DIFFERENT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS SAYING LIKE, HEY, WE CAN INSTALL THIS FOR YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DO IT, BUT THEY DON'T GET ANY KIND OF PERMITS FROM THE CITY. SO A LOT OF TIMES CODE ENFORCEMENT IS FINDING THESE BEING CONSTRUCTED, LIKE IN AND THEN SIDING. BECAUSE OF THAT. YOU HAVE JUST DIFFERENT WAYS THAT'S LAID OUT. SO YOUR TYPICAL DRIVEWAY WITH TWO VEHICLES AND THIS ONE HAS 3 OR 4 VEHICLES. RIGHT. IT'S A VERY WIDE CANOPY IN THE FRONT IN THE FRONT YARD. SO AS FAR AS CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WERE REVIEWING ON THIS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CALL IT THE DRIVEWAY TRELLIS. RIGHT. FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF NAME FOR IT AND DEVELOP WHAT THE STANDARDS WOULD BE. SO THE BASIC STANDARDS OF THIS WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD AMEND OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
IN CHAPTER 17.60. BUT SPECIFICALLY IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A HEIGHT MAXIMUM OF 12FT FOR THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE. IF IT WAS TO BE ALLOWED, AND THAT THE COVERAGE BE 60% OF THE TOTAL DRIVEWAY. AT THE MAXIMUM OR 400FT■!S IN AREA, WHICHEVER IS LESS. THE REASON WHY THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE IS NEEDED IS SOMEONE COULD HAVE A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY ON A VERY BIG PROPERTY, SO IMAGINE 60% OF THAT DRIVEWAY ON A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY. THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE STATE LOTS THAT ARE HERE ON THE AVENUE 50. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD LOOK. YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION. SO THERE IS A CAP THAT IT COULDN'T EXCEED 400FT■!S. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE 20 BY 20. AND IT'S WHATEVER IS LESS. AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A PROPERTY. THE SETBACKS WOULD BE FIVE FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES. JUST MORE DETAIL. IF YOU JUST WANT TO LOOK YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS. SO I ALREADY MENTIONED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT 12FT 60% 400 SQUARE FOOT COVERAGE. WHATEVER IS LESS FIVE FOOT SETBACKS. BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT ARE THE MATERIALS THAT THIS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITH. IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH A HOME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED AT. THE OTHER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT ENHANCES VISUAL APPEAL, SUCH AS DECORATIVE COLUMNS, TRIM. AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THAT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING CODE SO THAT IT DOESN'T BLOW AWAY. YOU KNOW THAT IT REMAIN IN IN, WELL MAINTAINED AND DOESN'T FALL INTO DISREPAIR. AND THEN LASTLY THAT IT WOULDN'T BE DETRIMENTAL FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS WHEN THESE ARE REVIEWED. THIS WOULD BE AN
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ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL REVIEW. SO IF THIS WAS TO BE ALLOWED THIS THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD USE TO REVIEW THIS IN THE FRONT YARD. SO WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE. RIGHT. SO WE CREATED THIS VISUAL TO SHOW WHAT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE REAR YARD SETBACKS, FRONT YARD SETBACK, SIDE YARD SETBACKS. AND THEN WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FRONT YARD. SO THE RED SQUARE IN THE DRIVEWAY IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ON THE LOT. THAT 6000FT■!S. SO AGAIN I MENTIONED THAT THE MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE IT COULD COVER ON THE DRIVEWAY IS 60%. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE LARGEST THAT IT COULD BE.SO IT'S NOT A FULL 400 SQUARE FOOT SIZED. I'M SORRY, 400 SQUARE FOOT AND COVERAGE BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THE 60%, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN THE 400FT■!S. AND SO IT WOULD FIT TO VEHICLES. TWO, TWO VEHICLES COULD FIT ENTIRELY WITHIN THE STRUCTURE IF IT WAS A LARGER VEHICLE. THAT'S LONGER THAN 15FT. IT MAY STICK OUT, RIGHT. BUT THE MAIN PART OF THE VEHICLE WOULD BE SHADED BY THE STRUCTUR. OKAY. SO I DID A I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK. I DID A SMALL VIDEO ON THIS. SO THERE SHOULD BE A BUTTON YOU PRESS. WILL IT WORK? GRAPHIC DESIGN AND EVERYTHING. ANIMATION THAT. SO WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE? THIS IS POTENTIALLY WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FRONT YARD. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE MASS AND SCALE AND THAT'S THE PERSON THEY PUT IN SKETCHUP. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR REFERENCE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FRONT YARD. AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT. IF YOU WANT. SO THINGS TO THINK ABOUT ARE, WELL, WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A REPETITION SIDE BY SIDE OF THE SAME FLOOR PLAN, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY ALL FLOOR PLANS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THE SAME, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE KIND OF SIMILAR IN ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IF YOU HAD THAT REPEATED DOWN THE STREET, BASICALLY THIS OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT RIGHT. SO IS THIS A LOOK THAT WE WOULD WANT? DOES THIS DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WHERE THIS IS JUST WOULD UNLEASH SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE WELCOME IN THE COMMUNITY? IF THIS WAS ALLOWED OR MAYBE THERE'S JUST THE NECESSITY FOR THIS, RIGHT? BASED ON THE NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY SOMEONE CONVERTS A GARAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S ALLOWED NOW IN THE CITY. BUT WHERE DO YOU PUT YOUR VEHICLE? YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. THE DRIVEWAY GETS HOT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE AND IT'S NOT AN ADU, YOU DO HAVE THE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE STORE THINGS THERE AND THEY STILL PARK EVERYTHING OUTSIDE, RIGHT? YOUR GARAGE IS STILL INTENDED TO BE A GARAGE FOR VEHICLES, RIGHT? THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT WOULD IT WOULD APPLY TO WHETHER A HOME HAS AN ADU IN THE GARAGE OR NOT. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE BIG ITEM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. THERE COULD BE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A TYPICAL FLOOR PLAN IN THE CITY. WE SEE THIS A LOT MORE IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IT HAPPEN MORE IN SOME OF THE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THIS IS REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION. AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION ULTIMATELY WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST ONE COMMENT. JUST WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY DOING FOR UNAUTHORIZED PERMITTED STRUCTURES. SO IF SOMEONE IS CAUGHT INSTALLING IT THEN THEY'RE CITED FOR IT. BUT THERE WAS A DIRECTIVE BY THE CITY MANAGER TO NOT ENFORCE IT BASED ON A COUNCIL REQUEST. THIS WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. SO WHAT MY CHARGE IS, IS TO EITHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS OR WE'RE NOT. AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCEMENT OF THE OF THE CODE.
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SO COUNCIL REQUESTED NOT TO ENFORCE IT. YEAH. SO BUT THE CITY MANAGER DID SAY TO NOT ENFORCE IT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO EITHER THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SOME DEGREE, RIGHT. AND MAYBE NOT THE DEGREE THAT THAT YOU SEE IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, OR THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED. RIGHT. OKAY. IS THERE A FINE CURRENTLY ISSUED? THERE IS A FINE. WHAT'S THAT FINE LOOK LIKE? I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE. IS IT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE PERMIT? I'M NOT 100% POSITIVE ABOUT THAT. WELL, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THIS WOULD BE LIKE A PERMITTED, LIKE THE SAME PRICE AS A PATIO PORCH TYPE THING. OR ARE WE LOOKING A. IT'S PROBABLY LESS. LESS? MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO.WELL, LET'S OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION. WE CAN START. YEAH. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CRITERIA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE THEY, THEY QUALIFY IF THEY QUALIFY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY CONVERT THE GARAGE INTO AN ADU OR A LIVING SPACE. I THINK A GOOD OPTION FOR US WOULD BE TO HAVE OFFER MAYBE THREE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS ON, ON WHAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE TO THESE CANOPIES, BECAUSE IF WE ALLOW IT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO ALL KINDS OF FUNKY STUFF. OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE WANT TO GET THEM DONE FOR THE LEAST POSSIBLE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME INTERESTING ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ERECTED. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE SET SOME TYPE OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, MAYBE 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT DRAWINGS OF WHAT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE, THAT WE REALLY IDENTIFY THE TYPE OF METAL AND THE GAUGE OF METAL THEY COULD USE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CRITICAL, TOO, IS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CALCULATIONS ON, ON ON THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
YIKES. BECAUSE THAT'S EXPENSIVE. NO IT'S NOT. IT'S EXPENSIVE. WE GET A ONE PAGE. WE COULD EVEN GET THEM PRE-APPROVED TO THE CITY ONCE WE GET THE ELEVATIONS. WE HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOKS AT IT, AND THEN THEY STAMP IT AND IT'S ALREADY PRE-APPROVED. SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE REALM OF THOSE MATERIALS. BECAUSE THE OTHER FLIP SIDE OF IT IS THAT, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT A FREE FOR ALL, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME INTERESTING.
AND THEY WERE REALLY GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC IN HERE, YOU KNOW, GRIPING ABOUT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS GUY PUT UP THIS CANOPY AND IT SAID DEVALUATING THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE ALL THOSE SCENARIOS. SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE, BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT TOO, IS THAT IF THEY DO IT IN AND THIS THING, THE WIND PICKS IT UP AND GOES, KILLS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS. AND I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD, RIGHT? SO I THINK THE SAFETY PART OF IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT. POINTS TAKEN. VERY GOOD POINTS. COMMISSIONER FONSECA. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M STILL THINKING I'M KIND OF GRAPPLING THROUGH EVERYTHING. SO I'LL DEFER. OKAY, COOL.
COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ. SURE. THANK YOU. SO SIMILAR TO OUR VICE CHAIR HERE. A COUPLE THINGS I. I THINK WE SHOULD, SINCE THERE ARE ALREADY SEVERAL IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS WE BOTH OR AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S PROLIFERATED. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF ON A STANDSTILL. MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE AROUND, LET'S DO A SAFETY CHECK, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GROUNDED PROPERLY. I ALSO DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS OR STYLES THAT THAT CAN BE USED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, RESIDENTS, OF COURSE. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED PREVIOUS TO THIS ORDINANCE, IF IT HAPPENS TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET APPROVED, THAT THERE BE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TIME FRAME BACK, FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN REGISTERED AND HAVE BEEN INSTALLED PREVIOUS TO THIS ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING THERE. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD FROM THIS ORDINANCE ON, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO, YOU KNOW, FOR USAGE. ALSO. OH DARN. WE SHOULD INFORM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL BE LIKE, OH, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IF IT WERE TO PASS, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME TYPE OF EDUCATION COMPONENT TO IT. BUT YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST THREE ELEVATIONS. SOMETHING ABOUT TIME FRAMES. CHECK THE SAFETY OF THE ONES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. AND INFORMATION LIKE EDUCATION ABOUT IT. IF IT WERE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AND GET APPROVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART OF IT
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TOO IS, IS THE GAUGE OF THE MATERIAL, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO GET IT DONE AS, AS CHEAP AS THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. WHOEVER CAN DO IT CHEAPER, IT GOES BACK TO THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING. CORRECT. SO IT'S PART OF THE CRITERIA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF GAUGE AND OBVIOUSLY WE COULD COORDINATE WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADEQUATE, YOU KNOW, ON ON THE SPAN AND THE DISTANCE OF THE CANOPY. AND WE DO HAVE OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL PARTICIPATING REMOTELY JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR. THANK YOU. HE MAY HAVE COMMENTS TOO. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE SAFETY IS IMPORTANT. BUT ALSO WE DO LIVE IN THE DESERT. IT'S SHADE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN HOUSEHOLDS USE THEIR GARAGE NOT ONLY FOR THEIR VEHICLES, WHATEVER THAT IS, BUT IT'S PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND OUR ROLE IS TO REALLY HELP, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE CAN STRUCTURE THINGS. BUT IF WE PUT CRITERIA THAT WILL HELP GUIDE HOUSEHOLDS, YOU KNOW, AND HOW THEY CAN GO ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS AND KEEP THE ESTHETIC OR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ASPIRE FOR, THIS COMMUNITY, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MAJOR INVESTMENTS. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, $30,000 VEHICLES, SOME PEOPLE HAVE $100,000 VEHICLES. SO IT'S JUST A WAY, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF PROTECTING THEIR VEHICLE.THEY HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURES. YEAH. BUT IF THEY HAVE AN ADU AND THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE INDOORS? YOU. I, I AGREE WITH VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ.
HOWEVER, I'M KIND OF NEUTRAL IN THIS CASE BECAUSE I DO SEE THE PROS OF IT. BUT I DO SEE HOW IT CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACADE AND KIND OF LOOK TACKY IN SOME WAY WHERE IT CAN JUST OVERPOWER THE HOUSEHOLD OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, I'M A LITTLE NEUTRAL ON IT. I DON'T AGREE, BUT I DON'T OPPOSE EITHER. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WHEN I WAS HEARING THE DISCUSSION IS LIKE, WHY IS THE CANOPY NEEDED, RIGHT? IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HEAT, THE SUN, THE DIRECT SUN THAT AFFECTS THE VEHICLE. NOW, IS THE CANOPY THE ONLY SOLUTION? RIGHT? THE CANOPY IS PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION, RIGHT? ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS IS PROBABLY A NATURAL SOLUTION. RIGHT. WHICH IS HAVING A TREE. RIGHT? HAVING THE CANOPY OF A TREE. SO IN THIS CASE PROBABLY LIKE IN THIS PHOTO, YOU COULD SEE THERE'S PROBABLY NOT THERE WASN'T THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGE TREE TO GROW AND PROVIDE THAT THAT SHADE. RIGHT. TECHNICALLY THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT. MAYBE IN THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS YOU DON'T SEE THAT, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THAT PALM TREE IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE SHADE. RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A SHADE TREE TO DO THAT. BUT JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. RIGHT. ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY SOLUTION AT THE END OF THE DAY. BUT BUT IT IS A SOLUTION THAT RESIDENTS HAVE HAVE ELECTED TO PROCEED WITH. YEAH, THE TREE MAKES SENSE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GET A 24 INCH BOX OR 30 INCH BOX TREE THAT'S GOING TO BE TEN YEARS LITERALLY BEFORE YOU, YOU ACTUALLY GET SHADE WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO PARK YOUR CAR UNDERNEATH IT. YOU KNOW. SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD A FEW FEW COMMENTS. ONE, IF WE WERE TO TRACK DOWN THIS ROAD, I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE PERHAPS WHERE SOME CRITERIA AS TO WHERE THEY CAN BE ALLOWED. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AGING COMMUNITIES, PERHAPS THEY FIT BEST. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITIES MAYBE JUST 20 YEARS AND BELOW, I DON'T THINK THEY ADD ANY VALUE. AND I THINK THAT OUR JOB IS TO HELP PRESERVE VALUE AS A COMMISSION, AS, AS AS LEADERS RIGHT TO PEOPLE'S INVESTMENTS AND JUST BECAUSE ONE ADDS IT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SHORT SIGHTED IN THAT SENSE. RIGHT. I THINK I THINK IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE MAKING A $400,000, $500,000, FIVE, 50, 600,000, AND EVEN IN SOME COMMUNITIES THERE'S $700,000 HOMES. I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO HELP PRESERVE THAT VALUE. RIGHT. AND WHETHER WE WHERE WE ALL WIN. I'M NOT SAYING I AM SAYING THAT STRUCTURES LIKE THIS PREFABRICATED STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, THAT THEY'RE PRETTY TACKY AND THEY LOWER THE VALUE OF, OF THE COMP. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW SOMETHING, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE COME OUT WITH SOME CRITERIA AND SOME PRE-APPROVED DESIGNS, LIKE SOMETHING THAT MATCHES NATURAL PITCHES. NOT FLAT, NOT ANYTHING FLAT. RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WOULD IT BE THE CRITERIA TO THAT MAYBE PERHAPS AGING OF THE HOME. WE WOULD HAVE MAYBE, PERHAPS IF YOU PUT AN ADU IN AND NOT NECESSARILY PUTTING A NOT NOT A GARAGE ADU THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU DEFERRED. RIGHT. SO YOU YOU WENT AND YOU DECIDED TO PUT A JUNIOR ADU IN YOU, YOU TOOK THAT OPTION. YOU ELIMINATED YOUR PARKING. WHY SHOULD WE GIVE
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YOU A PARKING STRUCTURE OR A CARPORT AT THIS POINT, WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, YOU THE HOMEOWNER IS DEFERRING, RIGHT? HE'S HE'S HE'S DEFERRING HIS PARKING. SO WE'RE LOOKING WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO DO THERE. RIGHT. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR HIM. I'M TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR SOMEONE WHO PERHAPS PUTS AN ADU, A COMPLETE ADU ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND IF A COMPLETE ADU ON THEIR PROPERTY MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THIS STRUCTURE, THEN I'M OUT GAME. BUT IF SOMEONE WHO IS HAVING A JUNIOR ADU SUITE IN THEIR HOUSE AND THEY PURPOSELY FORGOING THEIR PARKING STRUCTURE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HELP BRIDGE THAT. THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. OUR JOB IS TO. YEAH, LET'S FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS FOR STUFF THAT WE NEED TO HELP PROBLEM SOLVE. RIGHT. WHICH IS HOUSING I GET IT. OKAY, THEN HOW DO HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTION? BUT PERHAPS WE CAN ADD, RIGHT. MAYBE AN EXTRA AN EXTRA STALL RIGHT ON THAT, THAT SIDE AREA THERE. WHERE IN YOUR WOULD BE THAT SIDE YARD. MAYBE YOU COULD THROW CONCRETE DOWN THERE AND MAYBE EXTEND THAT THERE AND ADD THE, THE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT GOES INTO THAT AREA. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DELIBERATELY CONVERT YOUR GARAGE IN A NEW IN A NEW COMMUNITY, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD GIVE YOU A PARKING A SHADE STRUCTURE. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT ADDS VALUE. AND WE'RE HERE FOR THE COMMON GOOD, NOT FOR THE COMMON BENEFIT OF ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, AND THE COMMON GOOD IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE HARD. THAT'S THE HARD JOB. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO REALLY, REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS. RIGHT. AND HOW WE IMPACTING. RIGHT. HOW ARE WE IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY THAT. LIKE WE WOULD BE THE ONLY CITY IN THE DESERT THAT DOES THIS. I THINK SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, BUT I'VE SEEN OTHER OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE DRIVEWAY TRELLISES LIKE THIS, LIKE CANOPIES, FIRST OF ALL, AND IT DOES NOT DEVALUE THEIR UNPERMITTED THEIR, THEIR, THEIR UNPERMITTED STRUCTURES. RIGHT. AND SO RIGHT NOW THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PREFABRICATED STRUCTURES THAT ARE LIKE 10,000, LIKE 5000 BUCKS, $4,000, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COST TO PUT A PATIO IN. YEAH. PAVERS OR PATIO. IT'S. YEAH. IT'S EXPENSIVE.YEAH. AND THAT'S ALL PRE CODE RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD GET RID OF ALL PREFABRICATED NO GAUGE, NO STEEL ANYTHING. IT JUST HAS TO BE WOOD. WOOD STRUCTURES WITH FOOTINGS AND EVERYTHING. RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING TRELLIS OR WE'RE TALKING PERGOLA IT COULD BE EITHER. RIGHT. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION. RIGHT.
LIKE A TRELLIS IS NOT GOING TO HAVE COMPLETE SHAPE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT COMPLETE SHADE THEN IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A TRELLIS. SO THEY WERE TALKING INCLUDE STRUCTURED ENCLOSED ROOFTOPS. SO THAT'S WHAT ARE WE TALKING. TRELLIS. PATIO CANOPY.
YEAH. SO THEY'RE ALL VAGUE TERMINOLOGIES RIGHT. IF WE USE THEM BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE ANYTHING PREFABRICATED. SO AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M HEARING THAT THERE IS SOME RELUCTANCE TO, TO ADOPT SOMETHING. BUT IF IT WAS THEN IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL. NOW, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PREFABRICATED AND SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSTRUCT. AND THEN I'M ALSO HEARING THAT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE ARCHITECTURALLY COMPATIBLE WITH WITH THE HOME FOR SURE, RIGHT? LIKE THIS. THIS SCENARIO MAY NOT BE RIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PITCHED ROOF AT THE GARAGE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE FLAT CANOPY RIGHT IN THE FRONT. AND SO MAYBE LIKE THAT FLAT CANOPY THERE IN THIS ILLUSTRATION THAT'S IS YOU CAN JUST TELL IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE. RIGHT. IT DOESN'T BLEND IN WELL WITH, WITH THE JUST WITH THE PITCH OF THE ROOF. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE A WOOD STRUCTURE ON THE DRIVEWAY? IT HAD TO BE SO IT COULD BE WOOD. I GUESS. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOO. SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE THAT IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A CUSTOM STRUCTURE EITHER MADE OUT OF WOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD IT COULD BE MADE OUT OF METAL. WHATEVER THE MATERIAL, YOU CAN DEFINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IF IT'S OUT OF WOOD, THEN OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING CHANGES BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SPRINKLERS UNDERNEATH THAT. YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE. SO THAT CHANGES THE DYNAMICS AND THAT'S IF IT'S ENCLOSED, RIGHT. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT'S OPEN. IT'S OPEN TO ISN'T IT. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO. BUT LET ME OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL MAY BE ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW. SANDRA ARE YOU DO YOU DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? YEAH. YEAH. I'M HERE. SO YEAH, IT DOES REQUIRE FIRE RATED CONSTRUCTION. ANYTHING UNDER THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK. SO ONCE WE START REDUCING THAT FROM FIVE FEET, WE WILL BE IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT SOME SORT OF. FIRE RATED CONSTRUCTION. IT WILL BE. YES. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. LET'S GO IN THAT DIRECTION. I HAVE A
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QUESTION. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN OUR CITY THAT HAVE SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE LIKE THIS? I'M GOING TO SAY, SANDRA, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME IDEA TOO, BUT CODE IS GOING TO KNOW THIS MORE. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY MORE. THERE ARE DEFINITELY MORE THAN 50. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T BE SHY TO SAY 100 OR SO, 100 OR SO RIGHT IN THERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY. OKAY. AND HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND INQUIRE TO ABOUT THIS OR IF THERE'S A PERMIT. LIKE WHAT. YEAH. IS IT OFTEN OR IS IT JUST LIKE OCCASIONALLY IT IT'S OFTEN ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET NOTIFIED THAT WHEN IT'S UNDER THE OTHER ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. LIKE THE PREFABRICATED. AND THEN THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET IT, BUT THEY CAN'T. OKAY. SO THERE'S ABOUT 100 PLUS AND PEOPLE ARE INQUIRING ABOUT PERMITS FOR THESE KIND OF STRUCTURES. OKAY. THEY ARE ARE YOU ARE YOU GETTING THOSE INQUIRIES TO LEANDRO. YES. WE GET THEM OFTEN. YEAH. YEAH. WE GET ASKED THE SAME QUESTION A LOT. HOW ARE THE ONES OUT THERE? WHY ARE THEY THERE? HOW DO I PUT ONE UP. YEAH, YEAH. I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE'VE GOT TO DO IT RIGHT. AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK PREFABRICATED STRUCTURES ARE THE WAY TO GO. AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF GET SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT TOO. BECAUSE IF WE GO IN THAT DIRECTION, WE CAN BRING BACK THREE OPTIONS. IF IT'S THE NON FABRICATED KIND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BRING IN SOMETHING BACK THAT KIND OF FITS IN WITH THE MODERN DESIGN HOME, SOMETHING WITH MORE OF A SPANISH STYLE HOME, SOMETHING MORE WITH SOME OF THOSE ITALIANATE TYPE MODELS AND BRING THAT BACK. JUST KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH ADUS, RIGHT? YEAH. MY THING IS IT'S ABOUT JUST CONTINUITY AND NATURAL LOOKING STRUCTURES THAT BLEND IN WELL WITH THE WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. RIGHT. SO LIKE THOSE STRUCTURES THAT, THAT ARE THERE, THOSE PREFABRICATED STRUCTURES DON'T BLEND IN WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THE ISSUE I TAKE IS THAT IT'S UNNATURAL AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR IF WE IF WE WANT, IF WE REALLY WANT SOMETHING ESTHETICALLY PLEASING IN THAT AND IT SERVES TWO PURPOSES, THEN I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO GO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S CUSTOM, SOMETHING THAT BLENDS IN WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.SO I THINK WE COULD MAYBE GET SOME ELEVATIONS AND, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN PICK FROM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STYLES AND, AND WE COULD ONCE WE PICK WHATEVER WE FEEL IS, IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WE CAN GET THEM ENGINEERED AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE. CONSIDERING ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH OUR ORDINANCE, I THINK I THINK THE KEY IS GOING TO BE THE MATERIAL, THE RIGHT MATERIAL. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE RIGHT MATERIAL. THE KEY IS GOING TO BE OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE IT'S THE RIGHT MATERIAL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE LOW GAUGE. YEAH. METAL TO SPAN. YOU KNOW, THE 20FT OR OR WHATEVER THE SPAN IS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PLASTIC THERE, WHICH WHERE I'M SORRY. ON, ON ONE OF THE PHOTOS THERE.
IS IT PLASTIC. YEAH. THAT THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT GAUGE METAL. I'VE NEVER SEEN GAUGE METAL.
THAT'S IS IT ALLOWS ALLOWS SUN TO COME THROUGH I CAN'T TELL. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT PLASTIC. THAT LOOKS THAT LOOKS LIKE METAL. THAT'S METAL. IT'S METAL ESPECIALLY FOR THAT HEAD LIKE THAT. YEAH. WHAT THEY DID IS THEY BUILT LIKE THESE LITTLE GIRDERS, THE ARCHES. AND THEN THEY PUT ONE ON TOP AND THEN THE BOTTOM, AND THEN THEY PUT THE CRIPPLES ON THERE. THAT GOES BACK TO THE CRITERIA, THE STANDARD, THE MATERIAL THAT'S NECESSARY FOR IT TO BE HARNESSED DOWN AND FOR SAFETY REASONS, OF COURSE. SO YEAH, MAKING SURE YOU HAD ADEQUATE FOOTINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S IT BUDDY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT FOR THE COMMISSION FOR YOU TO REVIEW. JUST ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH SOME OF THE NEWER COMMUNITIES, LIKE PYRAMID RANCH IN THE CCNR'S IS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED. THERE, RIGHT, UNLESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT. SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL. WELL, I THINK WE COULD DO TO IS STIPULATE WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE NEWER COMMUNITIES, THEN WE COULD JUST SAY WE CAN'T. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY AN UPROAR BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE. OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMUNITY DOWNGRADED. BUT I THINK WHERE THE NEEDS ARE AT IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OLDER COMMUNITIES. YEAH. BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, THIS IS THIS PHOTO IS NOT AN OLDER
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COMMUNITY. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING DOWN THE STREET FROM YOUR HOUSE, IF WE DON'T ALLOW THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THERE, I MEAN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THEY SELL A HOME, LET'S BE REALISTIC. IT DOESN'T DEVALUE THE HOME THEY'RE SELLING, THE HOME THAT THAT STRUCTURE CAN BE UPROOTED AND TAKEN OFF. SO LET'S JUST KEEP THAT AWAY FROM ABOUT VALUES AND STUFF. LET'S JUST BE REALISTIC ABOUT GOING BACK TO JASON'S POINT THAT WE NEED TO OR I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, ABOUT BRINGING SOME TYPE OF CONTINUITY AND, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS AND THAT STUFF. AND WE COULD BRING SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT AND HOW TO TREAT LIKE THE EXISTING ONES. RIGHT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER A VOTE, YEAH, YOU SUPPORT IT OR YOU DON'T. RIGHT. AND WE'LL SEE IF THAT MOVES ON THAT WORK. AND THERE'S ROOM AT THE END FOR OH GO AHEAD. YEAH I THINK FOR ME THAT AND I'M ALL FOR ALL THE CONVERSATION. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS. I'M, I'M, I'M SO BIG ON AND I KNOW THIS IS SO BAD. RIGHT. TO SAY IT'S LIKE WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES. RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE JUST BUILD THESE THINGS AND JUST DID IT RIGHT. RIGHT. AND WITH NO THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T BUILD IT. RIGHT. SO MY THING IS AGAIN, IT GOES BACK. THE THING THAT I ALWAYS GET REMINDED IS IN MY HEAD. AND IT'S COME TO WITHIN THE COMMISSION OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS WHEN, WHEN WE FEEL THAT THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING, BUT YET THE TENANT IS THE ONE THAT SUFFERS BECAUSE OF THE OWNER NOT MAKING DECISIONS.RIGHT? SO HERE IS LIKE THE CITY RIGHT? IS TELLING THE OWNER OF THEIR HOME WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO, BUT YET THEY ALREADY DID IT, RIGHT? SO THEN WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO MY I WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IF AND WHEN WE DECIDE TO PUSH AN ORDINANCE THAT I AGREE 1,000% THAT IT SHOULD BE AND LEVEL TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME. RIGHT? BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THESE 100 OR 150 THAT ALREADY EXIST, RIGHT. HOW DO WE DO? WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DOES IT COME TO A VOTE? HOW DO WE GRANDFATHER THEM? OBVIOUSLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TESTING THEM AND SEEING THE SAFETY OF THEM BECAUSE I AND I AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR GONZALES DID SHARE THIS. I THINK ONE OF OUR EARLIER MEETINGS THAT I PARTICIPATED, AND I SAW IT HOW THE WIND, LITERALLY TWO HOUSES DOWN, TOOK THIS THING OFF AND GRACIAS A DIOS, RIGHT? NOTHING HAPPENED. BUT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? THAT SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. BUT BUT SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES WERE JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY INSTALLED, PROPERLY INSTALLED. THANK YOU. I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO TO THE ONES THAT ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO. YEAH, I WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE ONES THAT ALREADY EXIST. RIGHT. I'M SO FOR FIGURING OUT HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THINGS COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK MOVING FORWARD. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONES THAT ALREADY EXIST. AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. AND AGAIN, AS AS AS MY PERSONAL VOICE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE HERE TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY AND TO BE MINDFUL OF IT AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE DID WHAT THEY DID. BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT AS A CITY, WE ALSO NEED TO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE GET THE BAD RAP.
LIKE, I GOT A TICKET THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE OF THE SWEET BREAD AND MOVE IT AND IT'S MY FAULT.
AND I DIDN'T MOVE IT RIGHT. I HAVE TO PAY THE TICKET. IT JUST HAPPENED, RIGHT? NOT BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE OR I KNOW I MADE A MISTAKE. I DIDN'T MOVE MY CAR. I PARKED UP TO THE GYM AND I GOT A TICKET. RIGHT? IT COULD BE VERY EASY TO CALL, BUT NO, I'M RESPONSIBLE. I MADE A MISTAKE.
RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S MY ISSUE SOMETIMES WITH, WITH I'M NOT GOING TO SAY JUST OUR PEOPLE. RIGHT. JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL. RIGHT. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY, OH, THE LATINO PEOPLE, NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO THIS, RIGHT. EVERYBODY TAKES ADVANTAGE. NOT JUST THE LATINO PEOPLE, NOT EVERYBODY THAT COULD, BUT THEN WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DECISION? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND I THINK I KNOW THAT DOESN'T THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR. I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY MANAGER DID AND COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDED I GET IT RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT THAT WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNEW YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THIS YET. YOU JUST DID IT. THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT? AND AGAIN, HOW WHATEVER THE COMMISSION OR OR THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO, I WILL I WILL, I WILL ATTEST AND AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT I'M HAVING A HARDER ISSUE ON THAT, THAT SOMETIMES WE AS INDIVIDUALS WANT TO BLAME OTHERS WHEN WE MAKE THAT DECISION FOR OURSELVES. RIGHT? AND SAY, OH, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY, WELL, THE CITY NEVER HAD AN ORDINANCE. THEY TOLD YOU NOT TO DO IT AND YOU STILL DID IT. SO THAT THAT TO ME IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITUATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT I AGREE A 1000% THAT THAT HAVING SOME TYPE OF ORDINANCE AND PREFABRICATED, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, THAT THIS IS THE WAY THINGS NEED TO LOOK. THEN ONCE THEY SEE THE STICKER PRICE ON THAT, THEN MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL SAY, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO, RIGHT? YEAH. IT IS TRUE THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO SET THE CRITERIA FIRST OF ALL, AND THOSE
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PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE THESE CANOPIES ALREADY BUILT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S ALREADY A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. SO ONCE WE SET THE CRITERIA, WHAT THE RULES AND STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE, THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN PAY THEM A VISIT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE. RULES AND STANDARDS I BECAUSE THAT'S YEAH. WELL, THIS IS A I THINK TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS ISN'T A PLANNING COMMISSION TOPIC. THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL TOPIC. WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING BODY YOU KNOW. YEAH. JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND TO THEM. SO. RIGHT.LIKE I SEE IT LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE CITY MANAGER HAS DIRECTION A COUNCIL MEMBER SAID TO HOLD OFF ON THE DIRECTION. SO THERE THERE IS SOME DECISION THAT HAD TO BE HAS TO BE MADE.
RIGHT. SO I TOTALLY GET IT ON OUR END. YEAH. WE ARE A RECOMMENDED BODY. BUT THIS IS TO COMMISSIONER FONSECA'S POINT IS THERE'S A GREATER ISSUE HERE. RIGHT. THE GREATER ISSUE. AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE CAN'T BE REWARDING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING THE RULES HERE, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I SEE IT. IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THIS ISN'T THE WILD WEST. YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE SOME ORDER. CHAOS BEGETS CHAOS. AND THE ONLY WAY TO BRING CHAOS TO ORDER IS TO BRING STRUCTURE. AND I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING I HAVE TO INTERJECT. SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO OUR FIRST TIME HOME OWNERS DO NOT KNOW WHAT A FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER ISSUES OR PERMITS OR WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR HOME. THEY THINK I'M BUYING THIS HOUSE. I'M BUYING THIS LAND. THIS IS MY HOME. AMERICAN DREAM. I WORKED SO HARD. I'M SORRY SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY. I THINK THEY DO. SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. NO.
THAT'S THAT WE CAN'T KNOW IGNORANCE. WE CAN'T IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE IS NOT EXCUSE.
IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE. THEY KNOW THEY KNEW ENOUGH TO SAVE MONEY, TO BUY A HOME AND TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ACQUIRE A HOME. THEY KNEW THAT MUCH, RIGHT? AND SO WE CANNOT SAY, OH YEAH, THEY OH NO. RIGHT. THEY KNOW ENOUGH TO SAVE MONEY TO BUY A HOME, TO PAY TAXES, TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES, AND TO AND EVEN TO FILE APPEALS ON PROPERTY TAXES. THEY KNOW THAT MUCH. SO WE CANNOT SAY WE CANNOT SAY, OH YEAH, YEAH. NO, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW I DID NOT KNOW. NO, NO, DON'T GIVE ME THIS IGNORANCE STUFF. THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO INQUIRE AND TO INQUIRE. REAL ESTATE AGENT TO ACQUIRE BUYING ALL THIS. AND THEY'RE PAYING ALL THAT. THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT SHE MEANS. BECAUSE AS A HOMEOWNER, IF I'M PAYING TAXES AND EVERYTHING, THAT I ASSUME THAT I CAN HAVE A SAY OVER MY DRIVEWAY OR OVER MY GRASS, IT'S IN THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW THAT WHY? IT'S IN THE CORNER. LIKE, WE CAN'T LIKE, DUDE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE WRITING. IT'S IN THE CODE. RIGHT? AND WE WE'RE WE ARE WE ARE ALL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE LAW, BY THE CODE AND THE CODE IS THERE. THE LAW. THE LAW IS DESIGNED. LAW IS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE ORDER. YOU IT'S DESIGNED TO PRESERVE YOU, YOU YOU YOU YOU. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S FOR ORDER. YEAH. IF YOU OPERATE OUTSIDE THE LAW, THEN WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THE POSSIBILITY OF YOUR LIFE, LIFE EXPECTANCY SHRINKS AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE, THE BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF LAW. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. IS THAT SO IF THE I THINK IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE, LET IT BE AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE READY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. NOT LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS A RECOMMENDED THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD DO. MAN, I THINK I'M LOOKING AT IT AS AN INVESTMENT I MADE IN THE CITY, 450,000 $500,000. NEW COMMUNITIES COMING IN. IT'S IN THE CORNER ALREADY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S AN IDEA THERE THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PROTECT THE VALUE OF HOMES IN GENERAL. RIGHT. AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, AND I AND I THINK ALSO THINK THAT WE CAN'T TREAT OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OUR CONVENTIONAL INVESTORS DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR PRIVATE RESIDENTS THAT INVEST INTO THE CITY. SO IF THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FOR OUR PRIVATE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR COMMERCIAL INVESTORS AND A COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT, THEN SHAME ON US BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO IF WE'RE ASKING OUR COMMERCIAL, OUR COMMERCIAL INVESTORS X, Y, AND Z, AND TO ENTER INTO THESE THESE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS, ETC, AND ASKING FOR BUILDING MATERIALS TO BE TO THE NINES AND WANTING THE BEST FOR OUR CITY, THEN WE SHOULD DEMAND THE SAME FROM OUR RESIDENTS. IT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD AGAIN. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ, BACK TO THE TOPIC. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE HERE, THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT THIS FOR COMMUNITY, YES OR NO? RIGHT. THE DIRECTOR IS ASKING US THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE A MOVE. IS ASKING US I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO
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THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR DIRECTION. OKAY. LIKE LET THE CITY COUNCIL, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO TACKLE, THEN SEND IT DOWN. BUT IT'S LIKE THAT WITH ALL THE TOPICS THAT WE COVER HERE. YEAH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MAKING AN ACTION. WE'RE NOT MAKING AN ACTION. WE'RE GOING OVER TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL IS OBVIOUSLY MAKING THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON EVERYTHING WE COVER HERE IN THIS, IN THIS COMMISSION. NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. SO BUT I THIS IS THIS THIS THIS DIRECTION. YEAH.THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. BUT THIS DIRECTION NEEDS TO COME FROM THEM SAYING, HEY, WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MAKE A DECISION. WHAT DO YOU GUYS WHAT, WHAT WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE IN MIND. IT IS GOING TO COME FROM THEM BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION YES OR NO. THAT'S WHY I SAID SET THE CRITERIA. YOU HAND IT OVER TO THEM. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PENDING CASE THROUGH COURT ENFORCEMENT ON SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY ERECTED, THEN THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. ONCE WE SET THE CRITERIA, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK. THEY'RE GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED, GRANDFATHERED IN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE. AND SO GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WOULDN'T THAT BE COUNCIL'S DECISION IF THEY GET GRANDFATHERED IN THOUGH. WELL WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO.
THAT'S WHY WHAT WHAT'S THE ISSUE IS RIGHT NOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER ALREADY SAID TO DO SOMETHING A COUNCIL COUNCILMAN REQUESTED NOT TO? WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING OUR RECOMMENDATION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I'M THINKING YOU KNOW, ONCE ONCE IT GOES BACK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THEN THEN WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE THE RULES AND STANDARDS, AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL OWNER, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. HE SAID, ALL RIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPER FOOTING HERE. YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT GAUGE MATERIAL THAT THAT SPANS WHATEVER THE DISTANCE IS. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS HIGH. SO THIS IS HENRY. I'M SORRY, I'M ON ZOOM TODAY. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A STUDY SESSION. SO YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PROVIDING SOME DIRECTION TO STAFF TO ACTUALLY TAKE A FURTHER LOOK AT SOMETHING. SO TODAY YOU'RE NOT DECIDING ANYTHING AND YOU'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU'RE JUST PROVIDING SOME SORT OF DIRECTION TO STAFF FOR THEM TO FURTHER TAKE A LOOK AT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. HENRY. YEAH, JUST CONSIDERATIONS ONLY. AND SO WHEN THIS WHEN, WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK. RIGHT. BASED ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU DID HAVE. RIGHT. SO LET'S SAY THAT WE COME BACK WITH THREE ALTERNATIVES. RIGHT. OR WE COME BACK WITH A WAY TO DEAL WITH THOSE THAT HAVE THE STRUCTURES ALREADY. RIGHT. BY THE TIME WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, ONE PATH FORWARD COULD BE IS, IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD DECIDE NOT TO APPROVE IT. RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT STEP OF THE CITY COUNCIL? THE COUNCIL COULD SAY, WELL, THEY VOTED NOT TO APPROVE IT, BUT WE STILL WANT TO ALLOW FOR THIS TO EXIST, RIGHT. PURSUE IT IF THEY SO THAT THAT WOULD BE HOW HOW THIS WOULD PLAY OUT. THAT'S RIGHT. I AGREE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS? ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC CHAIR. YEAH, YEAH OKAY. ANY CLOSING THOUGHTS? ANYBODY. OH, WE IT WAS VERY, VERY CLEARLY STATED. AND WE REMINDED FOR MYSELF MY PURPOSE IN THIS. AND THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK THIS IS THE DISCUSSION. THE COMMUNITY JUST AS A FINAL POINT, I JUST FEEL THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO AND I WANT TO SAY INDIRECT BECAUSE WE WANT A BETTER CITY. RIGHT? AND I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE. TO COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ POINT, I AGREE WITH THEIR STATEMENT THAT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, BUT I ALSO FEEL TO BEAR THE DIFFERENCE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DID KNOW THAT DID IT IN SIGHTLY OF THE CITY. RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND SAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE CITY GOING TO DO? RIGHT. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ORNAMENTS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. WHAT IS THE CITY GOING TO DO? RIGHT. AND SO FOR ME, I THINK AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT WANTS NOT JUST A BETTER COMMUNITY FOR MYSELF, FOR MY WIFE, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR MY CHILDREN, I THINK THAT IS THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE. RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT ABOUT US BEING MAD AT EACH OTHER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK WE'RE JUST PASSIONATE ABOUT US WANTING A STRONGER, MORE BEAUTIFUL, MORE PROSPEROUS COACHELLA. THAT'S JUST A FACT, RIGHT? BUT UNFORTUNATELY AND AGAIN, I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY, OH, YOU LATINOS, MEXICANS, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT IS ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOMETHING, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. NO MATTER THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO DO IT RIGHT. BUT THAT, I THINK, IS WHAT TAKES SOME OF US OFF, THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE, NO MATTER THEIR BACKGROUND CULTURE, THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE. RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING, SO I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BECAUSE TO THE POINT, MORE THAN LIKELY TO THE PROSPECTIVE,
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THEY'RE GOING TO GET GRANDFATHERED IN. RIGHT. AND THAT'S JUST THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THINGS HAPPEN. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I JUST FEEL THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT STANDARD IN OUR CITY, THAT WHERE WE WANT AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET GRANDFATHERED IN. I THINK IT'S AN IT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN RESOLVED. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TACKLE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT. ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS, IS OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IF THIS THING AREN'T BUILT ADEQUATELY, YOU KNOW, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BE BAD, YOU KNOW, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES REVISIT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL OPEN CASES THAT ARE PENDING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST QUICKLY LEVEL SET. SO DIRECTOR FOR CONSIDERATIONS OF THE DAIS, WE SAID CRITERIA ELEVATION STRUCTURE. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT. AND IN OUR COMMUNITY WE TALKED. WHAT ELSE DID WE TALK ABOUT. SAFETY. SAFETY. SO ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS YOU HAVE THAT LISTED. SO YOU HAVE HOMEWORK I HAVE ALL THAT DOWN OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY MORE THANK YOU. ANY MORE REMARKS. NO, SIR. NO SIR. ALL RIGHT OKAY. THE NEXT THE REST SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO ADMINISTRATION GENERALLY. AND SO THIS IS WITH REGARDS TO HOW APPEALS ARE HANDLED IN IN THE CITY. SO MOST MOST CITIES ALLOW FOR ESTABLISH AN AUTOMATI.10 OR 15 DAY PERIOD FOR AN APPEAL TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. RIGHT. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A DECISION ON SOMETHING. YOU'RE THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.
SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC COULD APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. SO THE WAY THAT OUR CODE READS IS THAT UNTIL STAFF ACTUALLY WRITES A NOTICE OF ACTION, WHENEVER THAT'S WRITTEN, THEN THE 15 DAY PERIOD GOES INTO EFFECT. SO NO ONE EVER REALLY KNOWS WHEN THE 15 DAY PERIOD GOES INTO EFFECT. ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T KNOW. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS HAVE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITIES WHERE THE APPEAL PERIOD TAKES PLACE RIGHT AFTER THE DECISION WAS RENDERED. RIGHT? SO AS SOON AS THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IT'S 15 DAYS FROM THAT DATE. SO IF FOR SOME REASON I DECIDE NOT TO WRITE A NOTICE OF ACTION A MONTH LATER AND THEN THE APPEAL PERIOD IS 15 DAYS AFTER THAT DATE, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD WAY TO GO. IT'S NOT REALLY HOW OTHER CITIES DO IT. AND SO I WOULD JUST ADVISE US TO AMEND THE APPEALS SECTION. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. GO AHEAD. FOR THE 15 DAY PERIOD. IS IT BUSINESS DAYS OR CALENDAR DAYS? JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THIS WOULD BE CALENDAR DAYS. UNDERSTOOD. PERFECT. COMMISSIONER FONSECA? NO, I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE WRITTEN THERE. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE NOTICE THAT. YES. BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THAT OUR COMMUNITIES IN GENERAL GET CONFUSED BECAUSE I GET CONFUSED ABOUT THAT TOO. YEAH. IT SHOULD BE SPECIFIED EITHER CALENDAR OR BUSINESS DAYS. SO IS THERE A WRITTEN NOTIFICATION ON THAT? YEAH, IT SHOULD BE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO ON THE 15 DAYS. WELL IT WOULD BE IN THE CODE. RIGHT. SO THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE KNOW LIKE IN ANY CITY DO THEY GET NOTIFIED THAT AFTER THE 15 DAYS OR NO, WHO WOULD THE APPLICANT AFTER THE APPEAL IS MADE? OH, IS THE RECIPIENT INFORMED? YEAH. SO AN APPLICANT LIKE LET'S SAY THEY COME FORWARD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BANK THAT CAME FORWARD BEFORE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE 15 DAY APPEAL PERIOD PASSES FOR THEM TO EVEN GET A PERMIT FROM THE CITY. SO WE CAN'T ISSUE ANY PERMITS.
WE CAN'T BE LIKE, HEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IT THE NEXT DAY. YOU CAN PULL A BUILDING PERMIT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. SO WE WOULD INCLUDE A PROCESS WHERE THEY WOULD KNOW WHEN TO APPEAL THE DECISION OR LIKE IF IT PASSED OR DID NOT, SO THAT THE CLOCK STARTS AND THEN THEY KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. RIGHT. I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD COMMUNICATE AS STAFF, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST INCLUDED IN IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO EXCUSE ME, HOW DID THE OTHER CITIES ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THEM AT ALL? YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING HERE. SO AFTER YOU MAKE A DECISION AUTOMATICALLY 15 DAYS, THAT'S OR IF IT'S TEN DAYS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY IT, THAT'S THE APPEAL PERIOD. RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE UP TO THOSE CALENDAR DAYS TO BE ABLE TO FILE THE APPEAL WITH THE CITY. NOW THE APPLICANT CAN DO IT OR JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO APPEAL THE DECISION. PERFECT. YEAH. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. IT WOULD TAKE SOME LIKE 4 TO 5 DAYS FOR THEM TO GET THE MAIL. THEN THEY'RE DOWN FOR THE THEY'RE
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ALREADY NEGATIVE. THOSE 4 OR 5 DAYS. CORRECT. WELL THE APPLICANT WOULD KNOW THAT AT THE HEARING. RIGHT. SO THEY THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT DAY. NOW THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW FROM WATCHING THE MEETING. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO, SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW IT WOULD OCCU.RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO MY ONLY COMMENTS ARE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITIES. SO LIKE THE IDEA OF 15 CALENDAR DAYS AND SO THOSE ARE OF WHO ARE OF INTEREST. YOU KNOW HAVE DO HAVE THEIR EYES ON THE ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A CERTAIN PROCESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ALL EYES ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE IF YOU DON'T APPROVE A PROJECT TO AND IT'S DENIED. YEAH. THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO BE HEARD BEFORE THE COUNCIL IF THEY APPEAL IT. RIGHT. SO TYPICALLY WILL TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE APPEALS PROCESS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT NEXT TOPIC OKAY. NEXT IS THE MINOR MODIFICATION. SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING HERE IS TO ALLOW FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS OF UP TO 10% OF ANY NUMERICAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, WITH THE APPROVAL OF A MINOR MODIFICATION PERMIT. SO WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR MODIFICATIONS PER PARCEL OF LAND. SO IF YOU HAVE A HOME AND LET'S SAY, HEY, I WANT TO STEP BACK INSTEAD OF A SETBACK VARIANCE, THERE WOULD BE A MINOR MODIFICATION THAT YOU COULD REQUEST, AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE ALL THE HARDSHIP FINDINGS. IT WOULD JUST BE AUTOMATIC, RIGHT? THIS KIND OF MIRRORS THE CITY OF LA QUINTA. THEY HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR MINOR MODIFICATION. WITH MY EXPERIENCE THERE, IT'S NEVER BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A NEGATIVE SITUATION. IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO DO LIKE, HEY, I NEED THAT EXTRA FOOT, RIGHT? AND IF WE CAN MAKE THE FINDINGS THAT THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY BY STAFF, WE COULD DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. IS THERE IS THERE LIKE A CAVEAT THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE FENCE HEIGHT. LIKE WHAT WOULD IT BE.
YEAH, YOU COULD SAY THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE THIS IS JUST FOR ANY NUMERICAL STANDARD. SO IT COULD APPLY TO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE IN A COMMERCIAL CENTER. YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST SENTENCE HERE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE DO ALLOW MINOR MODIFICATIONS FOR ONLY LOT AREA SETBACK FENCE HEIGHT, BUILDING HEIGHT AND SIGN AREA. BUT IT'S JUST ONE MODIFICATION AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO EVERY NUMERICAL STANDARD. WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE APPLIED TO ANY NUMERICAL STANDARD IN THE CITY, AND I FEEL LIKE 10% IS PRETTY, PRETTY, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, RIGHT? IF YOU EXCEEDED 10%, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO ALLOW THAT, RIGHT? YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO NOTICE THE CHANGE. HOW DOES EVERYONE FEEL ON THAT? IS THERE ANY KIND OF SUPPORT TO THE PROPOSED SUPPORT? YEAH, I THINK I JUST MY, MY THING IS JUST FRONT YARD PAVING RIGHT. SO GETTING BACK TO THE HOMEOWNERS OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A WE ALREADY HAVE A HARDSCAPE LIMITATION PERCENTAGE. RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE. SO IT'S GOING TO GROW TO 50%. SO THE HARDSCAPE LIMITATION IS 60%. SO 70 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH BARBARA. WELL NO NO NO. WELL YEAH. YEAH 10%. SO WE COULD WE CAN MAKE THAT EXCEPTION THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO JUST REMOVE THAT. YEAH. YEAH. MAYBE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MODIFY A PROJECT. RIGHT. SO IF IT'S TYPICALLY WE JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHOEVER MADE THE DECISION. NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE THE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THERE TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE PROCESS. SO OTHER CITIES DO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE MODIFICATIONS COULD BE MADE FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS. RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION? THAT COULD BE VERY SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT. SO WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW, IT WOULD ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MINOR MODIFICATION. WHAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHAT COULD BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS THAT YOU ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO MAKE THAT CALL IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR NOT. TOO MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN VERY SMALL MODIFICATIONS HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. AT THE END OF THE DAY. BUT YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DEFINE WHAT'S
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CONSIDERED A MINOR MODIFICATION. OTHER CITIES WILL DO THAT AS WELL. SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. JUST WHEN IF LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT STANDARD IS IF THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, IS A IT'S UPON THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS SOME CRITERIA, CHECKLISTS AND DOCUMENTATION OF THIS JUST IN CASE. YEAH. OKAY.TO HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DIRECTOR, THAT YOU HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTATION OR A CHECKLIST OF WHAT THAT MODIFICATION WAS JUST FOR EVIDENCE BASED, JUST WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE TRUSTING YOU. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TACKLE OR WHAT THE, WHAT AUTHORITY THAT YOU HAVE.
RIGHT? YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME AUTONOMY. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT IF AND THAT'S YOU. RIGHT.
BUT I THINK WE TRUST YOU AND YOUR JUDGMENT. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE GABRIEL, YOU KNOW, TAKES WINS THE LOTTERY, TAKES HIS DREAM JOB. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE GET? HE'S LIVING HIS DREAM JOB. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WELL, OKAY, I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP DOCUMENTATION OF THESE TRANSACTIONS, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. AND I HEAR YOU. AND HERE'S PROBABLY ONE WAY TO DO IT. RIGHT. WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES IS IF THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION THAT'S MADE RIGHT, YOU'VE GIVEN MORE POWER TO THE DIRECTOR, TO DO SOMETHING, THAT THERE'S A REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WHAT THOSE APPROVALS WERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CALL THE ITEM UP. YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WE TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS. WE'D LIKE TO CALL IT UP. HAVE IT COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. AND SO WOULD THAT. WOULD THAT TIME FRAME LOOK LIKE THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT YOU HAVE, THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CALL UP THE ITEM. OKAY. SO BUT WE COULD IDENTIFY THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING RIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. YEAH FOR SURE. LET'S DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OKAY. YEAH. CHECKS AND BALANCES IS COOL I LIKE THAT OKAY. GREAT. MOVING ALONG. ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. SO WE DO HAVE A SECTION ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. SO THOSE ARE DECISIONS YOU MAKE ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF A BUILDING. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY FINDINGS FOR THAT. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE APPROVE A RESOLUTION THERE'S NO FINDINGS FOR US TO MAKE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CODE. SO THEY EXIST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. OTHER TYPE OF PERMITS IN THE CITY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM FOR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. SO WHAT I IDENTIFIED HERE ARE FIVE FINDINGS THAT ARE COMMON IN OTHER CITIES. FOR A DESIGN REVIEW. AND I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE INCLUDE THAT. SO WE MAKE FINDINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN FINDINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, CONSISTENCY WITH ANY CITY DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS LOCATED AND DESIGNED, CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATED AND MAINTAINED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE YOUR DECISION ON A PROJECT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE THOSE FINDINGS. THOUGHTS ON THAT? DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? YES. OKAY. ALL FIVE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ACTUAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. SO WHAT I DO RECOMMEND, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZE IS WHEN WE ADOPT OUR GENERAL PLAN IN 2015, WE ACTUALLY DID AWAY WITH ALL OUR AGRICULTURAL USES IN THE CITY BOUNDARIES. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A PERMITTED USE. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE ALLOW EXISTING AGRICULTURE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE. OTHERWISE IT'S CONSIDERED A NONCONFORMING USE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE THAT WAS UNINTENDED, RIGHT, IN THE WAY THAT WE ADOPTED THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING CONSISTENCY ON THIS. BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY OPEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. AND THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE RURAL RANCHO DISTRICT, THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE DISTRICT, THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT, WHICH IS 0 TO 7 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD, 7 TO 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ABOVE 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. WHAT DOES THE FARMING ACT FALL IN THIS? YEAH, SO THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONSISTENT WITH THE RIGHT TO FARM ACT THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS. RIGHT. I SUPPORT IT. OKAY. SO THE OTHER THING IS THIS. AND THIS IS WHAT COMMISSIONER MURILLO MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED LAST TIME AT THE AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT I DID PRESENT, THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT MAKING THESE CHANGES TO OUR CODE. ONE WAS INCORPORATING ENERGY EFFICIENCY DESIGN AND HEAT ISLAND REDUCTION STRATEGIES TO ALL OUR NEW PROJECTS IN THE CITY. THIS IS LANGUAGE THAT'S
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ALREADY IN OUR GENERAL PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT CODIFIED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. RIGHT. AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE. AND SO THE IDEA OF THIS WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO PREPARE A PLAN FOR ENERGY EFFICIENT DESIGN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS AND HOW IT MEETS THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THEN HEAT ISLAND REDUCTION. SO HEAT ISLAND IS WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, SURFACE AREA LIKE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT. THAT MAKES IT HOTTER IN THE AREA, RIGHT? SO YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TREES THAT ARE ABLE TO MAKE IT COOLER. AND SO THE IDEA WITH THIS, THEY WOULD CODIFY IT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF REQUIRED IN OUR GENERAL PLAN. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE PERIMETER LANDSCAPE SETBACK. SO IF YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NORTH, WELL, A LOT OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, BUT EVEN SOME OF THE NEWER ONES FROM THE EARLY 2000 AND THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY, A LOT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES WERE BUILT WITH PERIMETER SETBACKS THAT WERE LIKE TEN FEET AT THE MOST OR 15FT. AND SO YOU HAVE THE WALL THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ALMOST THE SIDEWALK. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT A FIVE FOOT SEPARATION AND VERY LIMITED LANDSCAPING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES, THEY HAVE LARGER SETBACKS. AND THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE WITH OUR MUNICIPAL CODE. SO OUR MUNICIPAL CODE WOULD NEED TO BE REVISED TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW FOR BIGGER SETBACKS. SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS ESTABLISH A TEN FOOT MINIMUM PERIMETER SETBACKS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND AN AVERAGE OF 20FT PERIMETER LANDSCAPE SETBACK. AND SO THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING CITIES LIKE INDIO AND LA QUINTA. AND THIS WOULD AFFECT THREE OF OR FOUR OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. DOES THAT ALSO APPLY TO THE PUD ALSO, OR. YES, IT WOULD BE. YEAH. IT WOULD APPLY TO THE PUD. AND WE'LL GO TO THAT IN A SECOND. OKAY. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A PACKAGE FOR ENERGY EFFICIENT STRATEGIES AND HEAT ISLAND REDUCTION. SO THIS IS THE PYRAMID RANCH DEVELOPMENT. SO WHAT THEY PREPARED IS A PACKAGE FOR STAFF TO SHOW HOW THEY WERE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN. SO WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO SEE MORE TREE COVER AND REDUCE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. SO THEY CREATED EXHIBITS TO SHOW HOW THEY WOULD PROVIDE MORE SHADE IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AS SHOWN ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THE YOU KNOW, HOW DOES PASSIVE HEATING AND SOLAR COOLING WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RISE IN AND SUNSET OF THE SUN. AND SO THEY WOULD PROVIDE A SHADING PLAN OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THE AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE SHADE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT WITH, WITH PLANTING TREES. RIGHT. SO IT IS A PACKAGE THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN THE DEVELOPERS PREPARE. RIGHT. AND IT DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA STEP, BUT I THINK IT'S A STEP THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FOR SURE. I STRONGLY SUPPORT IT. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN JUST THE REASON WHY IT'S GOOD TO INCLUDE MORE TREES IN IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M GOING TO GO INTO THIS IN A SECOND, IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE TEMPERATURE IN THE CITY. AND OBVIOUSLY IT PROVIDES IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THE SHADE. AND ALSO SOME OF THE VEHICLES, RIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY. EXACTLY. SO, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPE THAT WE SPECIFICALLY START REQUIRING NATIVE LANDSCAPING AND THAT THAT STANDARD WOULD BE 40%. YEAH.I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN OTHER CITIES. THE LAST CITY THAT I WORKED WITH, IT WAS A 40% REQUIREMENT FOR NATIVE LANDSCAPING, SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK IN THE LANDSCAPE PALETTE FOR OKAY. THE SECOND ONE IS FOR PERIMETER REAR FACING BUILDING VARIATION. SO REQUIRE THAT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS REQUIRE THAT THE ANYTHING GREATER THAN ONE STORY WITH REAR ELEVATIONS FRONTING ALONG THE PERIMETER STREETS TO INCLUDE MORE STRUCTURAL VARIATION. SO WE WOULD ESTABLISH REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IS A LOT OF TWO STORIES THAT ARE JUST KIND OF FLAT IN THE BACK, AND INSTEAD IT WOULD BE REQUIRED, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THE CODE. OTHERWISE THEY CAN SAY IT'S NOT NOT REQUIRED. THE THIRD IS REQUIRING THE VISTA SANTA ROSA EQUESTRIAN AND AGRICULTURAL THEMED IMPROVEMENTS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT
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THAT SANTA ROSA GUIDELINES LOOK LIKE. THIS. RIGHT. SO BASICALLY IT'S A PERIMETER SETBACK FOR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAVE DATE PALMS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE COMMUNITY. THEN YOU HAVE A, A PATH, THEN YOU HAVE AN EQUESTRIAN FENCE AND THEN YOU HAVE AGRARIAN LIGHTING. WE DID THIS WITH PYRAMID RANCH AND RECENTLY WITH ENCANTO. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE. BUT THIS IS TO ACTUALLY CODIFY IT. BEFORE WE ONLY HAD SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WHICH ISN'T THE BEST WAY TO ENFORCE IT SHOULD REALLY BE IN THE CODE. AND THEN LOOKING AT AERIAL VIEW, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. RIGHT. SO, SO WHERE THIS WOULD BE INCLUDED WOULD BE THESE AREAS IN BLUE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT CROSS. AND SO THIS WOULD BE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF VAN BUREN STREET. AND THEN ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF AVENUE 52 BETWEEN CALHOUN AND FREDERICK STREET TO BACK DUMA PARK AND GOING BACK TO THE LANGUAGE SO REQUIRE THE EQUESTRIAN, THE IMPROVEMENTS MODELED AFTER THE VISTA SANTA ROSA DESIGN GUIDELINES AT PROJECT PERIMETER. AVENUE 5052 VAN BUREN AVENUE 53 AVENUE 54 SOUTH OF AVENUE 50 WITH EQUESTRIAN FENCING, GREEN LIGHTING SIGNAGE TEN FOOT WIDE, DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL AND DATE PALMS PLANTED 20FT ON CENTER. GOING BACK TO YOUR RENDERING REALLY QUICKLY, THAT PIPE, THAT MONUMENT THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED. BUT THAT'S PART OF THEIR GUIDELINES. SO IS THAT PIPE MONUMENT THE. WELL, THAT'S THE IRRIGATION STANDPIPES. AND THAT'S NOT THAT'S TO REMAIN PER CBW OR IS IT. SO WE WILL ASK THAT THOSE BE MOVED AND REPLACED OFTEN SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO YOU WON'T SEE A LOT OF PIPE MONUMENTS UNLESS THAT'S IF THERE'S NO AG ACROSS THE STREET OR, OR CLOSE BY BECAUSE YEAH, THIS IS A COMMON SITUATION. A LOT OF THE CITY AND OUR BIG ARTERIALS THAT THOSE LINES HAVE TO GET REPLACED BY THE WATER DISTRICT. YEAH. WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH. OKAY. COOL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ALONG IS FOR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE A LOT AFTER RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE BUILT IS PEOPLE WANT SPEED BUMPS. AND WE THINK THAT IS MAYBE THE MORE REACTIVE WAY TO ADDRESS SPEED. AND REALLY IT SHOULD BE MORE PROACTIVE. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADOPT STANDARDS IN ALL OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC WITH THEIR CIRCULATION DESIGN. AND SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE AND THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE. SO WHAT DO WE WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE LOOKING. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. SO IT COULD MEAN MAYBE NARROWING THE STREET OR IT COULD INCLUDE WHICH THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD SUPPORT. IS INCLUDING MORE ROUNDABOUTS WITH EVEN WITHIN A COMMUNITY. SO NO SPECIFICS ON THE LIMIT OF TRAFFIC FLOW. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE CITY ENGINEER HOW THEY WOULD DO THAT. AND IS THAT CONSIDERING? WHAT'S THAT LIKE? IS THAT REALLY CONSIDERING LIKE I UNDERSTAND NARROWING THE STREETS AND OR ADDING ROUNDABOUTS TO CIRCULATE TO, TO KIND OF SLOW DOWN. BUT IF WE LOOK AT IF PARKING IS AN ISSUE TO BEGIN WITH. RIGHT. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AWNINGS AND SHADE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING AWAY PARKING FROM PEOPLE WHO NEED PARKING, RIGHT? I, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. WELL, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S VERY LIMITED. THERE ARE VERY LIMITED OPTIONS FOR NARROWING THE STREET BECAUSE OF FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY REQUIRE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE WANT TO NARROW THE STREETS, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A 20 FOOT CLEAR DISTANCE. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO DO THAT SLOW TRAFFIC. BUT WHAT THEY REQUEST IS OFTENTIMES THE WIDER STREETS. SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN APPLICANT STAFF IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT LIKE SPEED BUMPS AT ALL IN THESE COMMUNITIES. THEY THINK THAT IT DETERS THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO SERVICE AN EMERGENCY.AND SO WHEN THE CITY DOES IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY LIKE TO SEE. SO THIS APPROACH WOULD BE MORE OF A PROACTIVE APPROACH. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE HERE. I'M JUST LIKE IN MY COMMUNITY. LIKE IF YOU WERE UP AND DOWN, IF YOU CANVASS THE STREETS HERE, EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR SPEED BUMPS. YOU KNO. SO YOU KNOW WHAT ONE ONE IS? WHAT ONE THING IS, WHAT THE
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COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR. ANOTHER ANOTHER THING IS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, HOW DO YOU PROVIDE THAT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT? I THINK VISUALLY, RIGHT. THERE'S, THERE'S SOME VISUALLY IT GOES A LONG WAY VERSUS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A ROUNDABOUT HERE OR NARROW THE ROAD, TRY TO ACHIEVE THE SAME PURPOSE. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY REGISTERS.RIGHT. SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. YEAH. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE. I'M NEUTRAL OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD FEEDBACK. SO THE NEXT ONE IS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL ZONE. SO REMOVING BUILDING SIZE LIMITS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED WHEN WE ADOPTED OUR ZONING CONSISTENCY WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN IS THAT A LOT OF THE CESAR CHAVEZ CORRIDOR IS ACTUALLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONE LIMITS BUILDING SIZES TO 10,000FT■!S. IT DOESN'T MAKE SEE BECAUSE CESAR CHAVEZ IS A MAIN COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AND SO BASICALLY THIS MADE A LOT OF THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS NON-CONFORMING. SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS REMOVE THAT LIMIT ON THE SIZE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE REDEVELOPMENT, YOU COULD HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR LARGER ANCHOR STORES THAT I THINK WE WOULD WANT IN THE CITY. SECOND IS CESAR CHAVEZ STREET SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THAT SIDEWALKS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT A MINIMUM OF NINE FEET FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. AND THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR THE OLD IT'S CALLED THE HARRISON STREET CORRIDOR STUDY. AND SO IT ENCOURAGED HAVING THE WIDER SIDEWALKS. CURRENTLY THE STANDARD WOULD BE SIX FEET. BUT WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW IS CREATING MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ALONG CESAR CHAVEZ. NEXT IS NEW CESAR CHAVEZ STREET DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORRIDOR DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE HARRISON STREET CORRIDOR REPORT. SO THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS FOR HOW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OCCUR. IT DOES ENCOURAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT. BE ORIENTED MORE TOWARDS THE STREET. IT DOES TRY TO DISCOURAGE LARGE PARKING LOTS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF BUILDINGS, AND RATHER EITHER HAVE THEM ON THE SIDE OR THE BACK OF BUILDINGS. IT DOES ENCOURAGE A WIDER SIDEWALK, LIKE I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN ALSO TREE LINED STREETS BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK. SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO ANY MAJOR CHANGES ON THE LANDSCAPE PART OF IT. YEAH. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS.
REMEMBER THE SUN COMMUNITY BANK. WHAT WE TRY TO DO DIFFERENTLY WAS REQUIRE A SETBACK BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK OF I THINK IT WAS LIKE I THINK WE DID LIKE 7 OR 8FT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE TREES THERE, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SHADE THE PEDESTRIANS WALKING ALONG CESAR CHAVEZ. NOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT MEETS UP NORTHWARD IN FRONT OF THE OLD AARON'S BUILDING? THE JACK IN THE BOX. THE AM PM IS THEN IT BECOMES A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE TO THE STREET. RIGHT. SO IT'S PROBABLY LESS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO WALK THAT WAY VERSUS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT THAT YOU SEPARATE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM THE FROM THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC. SO THE FAMILY DOLLAR, SAME THING AS THE AARON'S BUILDING. YEAH. OKAY. ANY MORE THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? I STRONGLY AGREE I SUPPORT IT. ALL RIGHT I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE OTHER SUGGESTED CHANGES FOR THE COMMERCIAL ZONES. SAME THING. YOU KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ZONING OUT ACTUALLY IN THE AREA EAST OF THE EXPRESSWAY. YOU WOULD NORMALLY WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S COMMERCIA, RIGHT. SO BASICALLY IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR AG USES. BUT THERE'S AG USES OUT THERE. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR EXISTING AG USES TO CONTINUE IN THOSE AREAS. LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE REQUIRE THAT ALL LANDSCAPE AREAS BE MAINTAINED CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLANS IN THAT LANDSCAPE MODIFICATION SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND REFERRED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AT THE DIRECTOR'S DISCRETION. SO THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT WE SEE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE PALETTE, LIKE AFTER A PROJECT IS BUILT, RIGHT? SO THEY DECIDE UNILATERALLY TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AROUND. THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, I'M GOING TO REDUCE EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO WHAT THIS WOULD SAY IS LIKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF APPROVAL, EITHER BY THE DIRECTOR OR THE DIRECTOR DECIDES TO FORWARD THAT ON TO THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION. ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ONE? I AGREE, I AGREE, OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS ROOFTOP SCREENING. WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING CODE. WE JUST USE IT THROUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO REQUIRE THAT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED. CAN I CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE JUST PRESSURE WASHING BE DONE AS PART OF THE UPKEEP AND CLEANLINESS OF YOUR COMMUNITY. EVEN STREET SWEEPERS WITHIN COMMERCIAL PARKING. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING ON THE BOOKS ON THE ROOFTOP SCREENING? NO. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I THINK WE REMOVED THAT FROM. NO, NO, I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE IT. YOU REMOVED IT IN A PREVIOUS STATE TERM BEFORE I GOT HERE. I THOUGHT WE HAD IT IN THE ZONING CODE, TOO. WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, IT WASN'T THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO MINE WAS THE FAST STRIP. I KNOW THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND WE WERE WORKING ON IT. THEY WOULDN'T PUT THE SCREEN ALL THE WAY ON TOP. IT LOOKS TACKY TO THE MAX AND OBVIOUSLY TO TRY TO DETER THE PIGEONS, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY PUT THEY GOT ABOUT A MILLION PIGEONS THAT LANDED THERE IN THE EVENING. YEAH. AND IT'S SO WE CAN'T DO MUCH AROUND SOLAR. SO THIS WOULD SO THE STATE PROHIBITS US FROM HAVING TO CONTROL SCREENING FOR, FOR SOLAR. IS THAT SOLAR OR IS THERE A CYLINDER IN THERE. YEAH. OKAY.SO YOU DID AN UPGRADE ON IT. YEAH. BUT SO THIS WILL APPLY MORE TO LIKE HVAC EQUIPMENT AND OTHER EQUIPMENT. SO THAT THAT STATE MANDATE THE SOLAR. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S LAWS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE ROOFTOP SOLAR. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT JUST CLEANS UP THE FACADE AND THE ROOF AND COVERS THAT HVAC OR AC OR WHATEVER, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE RV LOCATION. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE SO THEY COULD HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. YOU JUST I KNOW, BUT WE HERE WE ARE.
YEAH. SO I AGREE. YEAH. THERE WAS A STORAGE FACILITY. YEAH. WAS THAT OAK STREET OR THE NEW UPGRADE ON IT OR. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YEAH. EXACTLY. THEN LASTLY, SIMILAR TO RESIDENTIAL ZONES, LIKE IF YOU HAD A NEW SHOPPING CENTER THAT CAME IN, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER ENERGY EFFICIENT DESIGN AND HEAT ISLAND REDUCTION STRATEGIES. NOW WE DID WE DO KIND OF APPLY THIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BECAUSE OUR GENERAL PLAN SAYS TO DO THIS. SO AN EXAMPLE IS SUN COMMUNITY BANK. SO WE GIVE THEM COMMENTS LIKE HEY MAKE THIS BUILDING MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY DESIGNED THE BUILDING THAT THE WAY THAT THEY DID WITH REMEMBER THOSE SHADES THAT WE SAW AND WE SAID WE NEED YOU TO MAKE YOU MAKE IT NICER? YEAH.
THEY WERE DOING THAT TO ADDRESS THIS. RIGHT. THIS THIS FROM THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. LAST ON THE MANUFACTURING ZONE SO PERMITTED USES. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANUFACTURING AREAS WHERE THERE'S EXISTING AG. SO CONTINUE TO ALLOW EXISTING COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, BUT ALSO NURSERIES AS PERMITTED USES. SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO AREAS THAT FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE EVEN AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED MANUFACTURING SERVICE OUTSIDE THE CITY BOUNDARIES BETWEEN AVENUE 54 TO AIRPORT BOULEVARD, WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING NURSERIES. BUT IF THOSE AREAS WERE TO COME INTO THE CITY, THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE NURSERIES ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE MANUFACTURING ZONE. BUT IT SEEMS TO FIT IN WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THOSE NURSERIES TO CONTINUE TO EXIST AS PERMITTED USES AND THEN AS CONDITIONAL USES TO ADD HOTELS AS A CONDITIONAL USE ON BUILDING SITES ALONG FRONTAGE OF MAJOR OR PRIMARY ARTERIALS. SO WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY, THIS WOULD APPLY TO MAJOR ARTERIALS, BUT NOT AREAS THAT ARE JUST KIND OF MORE INTERNAL. SO THIS COULD APPLY TO AREAS THAT ARE IN THE SPHERE OF INFLUENCE. LET'S SAY LIKE THE AIRPORT BOULEVARD AREA. WE DO HAVE PART OF THE CITY THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO AIRPORT BOULEVARD NEXT TO THE 86 EXPRESSWAY, BUT THEY COULDN'T PUT A HOTEL THERE BECAUSE OUR MANUFACTURING ZONE STANDARDS DO NOT ALLOW FOR A HOTEL. SO IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL. OKAY. GOOD POINT. AND THEN JUST BACK TO PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENTS. WE REVIEWED THIS. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. BUT OUR RECOMMENDED THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT THERE BE A PUBLIC BENEFIT. IN EXCHANGE. SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT OKAY THIS COULD WORK. BUT MAYBE NOT ALLOW THIS TO APPLY TO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY ANY MORE. IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL
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FEELING THE SAME WAY ABOUT THAT? WELL, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE AND SEE WHAT WHAT IT BRINGS FORWARD AND WHAT HE PRESENTS TO THE COMMISSION. BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST LEAVE IT OPEN AND IF THERE'S A SOME CREATIVE DEVELOPER OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO PROPOSE SOMETHING AND LET US LOOK AT IT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD WEIGH IN ON IT.PALM SPRINGS DOESN'T. HE SAID, PALM SPRINGS, DOES IT? YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE DRAWBACK AND I THINK THE CHAIR WAS RAISING THE ISSUE IS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO DO THAT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. YOU KNOW I GUESS IT KIND OF LIKE WHAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. WHAT IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT DIRECTOR, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT COMMISSION AND THEY JUST WANT TO ALLOW ANYTHING. RIGHT. SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT I DO SUPPORT THAT POSITION AND ALLOWING IT FOR ALL ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THEN WHOEVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR PREROGATIVE. RIGHT. WELL, WE HAD THE IT WAS A COMMERCIAL, NOT A, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL WAS THE TURNAROUND AND THE TRAIN STATION AT ONE POINT WHERE THEY WERE PROPOSING HOUSING CHANGING, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE FOR THE ZONING AREA. SO THAT'S NOT IN PLAY ANYMORE. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT NOT THERE. OKAY. SO.
AND I THINK THAT'S SO GOING BACK TO COURTYARD. ALL RIGHT. COURTYARD. SO WE HAVE LIKE THE IMAGES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT. FOCUSED. ALL RIGHT. SO EVERYBODY'S OKAY. THE LAST TIME AT THE PLANT THIS IS THE LAST ITEM. SO THE AT THE LAST STUDY SESSION WE HAD ON THIS, IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE COMMISSION MAYBE ONLY ALLOW COURTYARDS IN COMMUNITIES THAT WERE MAYBE DEVELOPED POST 2000 AND THAT THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT OF THE COURTYARDS AND THEN INCLUDE LANGUAGE TO PROHIBIT VEHICLES FROM PARKING THE COURTYARD. SO CAN YOU I'M SORRY, DIRECTOR, WHERE IT SAYS FRONT YARD WALL.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FRONT YARD COURTYARDS AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONES BY ALLOWING UP TO SIX FOOT HIGH JUST TO HONOR COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. BUT IF WE PUT IT IN LANGUAGE LIKE IF YOU DO IT RIGHT UP TO SIX FOOT, OKAY, SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND, OH, I HAVE TO DO IT SIX FOOT. NO, THEY CAN DO FOUR, THEY CAN DO THREE. THEY, I RATHER I'D RATHER SEE SOMETHING STOP AT FOUR FEET. I PREFER THE FOUR FEET. YEAH. LET ME LET ME SHOW YOU THE, THE EXHIBITS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME WORK THAT WENT INTO THESE. SO THIS WAS DONE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF HOW COURTYARD COULD LOOK LIKE THIS KIND OF MIRRORS. WHAT? LA QUINTA HAS A LOT IN THE COVE AREA. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THE COURTYARDS TAKE THIS SHAPE. I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF THIS WAS KIND OF TAKEN FROM A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION LOT FROM PYRAMID RANCH. RIGHT? SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO A COURTYARD, IF YOU ALLOWED IT FOR POST 2000 DEVELOPMENTS TO ONLY ALLOW IT ON ONE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH HAS THE LARGER AMOUNT OF AREA, THE WAY THAT THE LOT IS LAID OUT, WE DON'T ALLOW FOR WALLS TO BE EXTENDED TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO STOP AT THE PUBLIC PEW, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT, AND SO ENGINEERING REQUIRES THAT THAT'S TEN FEET, ISN'T IT? NORMALLY IT VARIES. SO IN THIS IT'S FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OKAY. THE STANDARD. RIGHT. SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WHAT'S POSSIBLE. SO ON A 6000 SQUARE FOOT LOT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR TYPICAL DRIVEWAY THAT FITS TWO VEHICLES. BUT CONSIDERING THE HARDSCAPE YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF HARDSCAPE DOES FIT IT WOULD BE ABOUT THIS SIZE THAT YOU SEE HERE. BECAUSE OUR REMEMBER LAST TIME I MENTIONED THAT THE COVERAGE FOR HARDSCAPE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD WOULD BE 60%. SO THAT'S WHAT 60% WILL LOOK LIKE AT THE MAX. BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEHIND. I KNOW THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE NOT TO PARK A VEHICLE THERE. SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEE THAT RETURN, GO BACK TO THE GARAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO YOU CAN HAVE A FRONT ENTRY WAY TO THE COURTYARD IN THIS FASHION, WHICH WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS. SO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE WITH THE HOM.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE ACTUALLY, LIKE IN A COMMUNITY RIGHT FROM THE COVE. IT'S GOOD.
I AGREE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. RIGHT. THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE ARCHWAY. RIGHT. THIS IS A VERY BASIC. SO WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE FOR A SIDE ENTRY COURTYARD FROM A DRIVEWAY. SO THIS IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND AGAIN THE SAME COVERAGE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FLATWORK BEHIND THE COURTYARD. THIS IS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN DO. THIS IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK
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LIKE. AND THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT. THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU DON'T SEE THE ENTRYWAY IN THE FRONT. YOU SEE IT FROM THE DRIVEWAY. NOW THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION WHICH IS AT THE CORNER, WHICH IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVENIENT RIGH? NOT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THIS OPTION, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A CAR PARKED THERE THAT CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO GET IN, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE THIS OPTION, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU TO ENTER THE COURTYARD.RIGHT? AND IT'S AT REALLY AT THE CORNER OF THE MEETING OF THESE TWO WALLS. AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO MY ONLY COMMENTS IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT LIVING SPACE JUST ADD LIVING SPACE IN HOMES THAT ARE PRE YOU KNOW BUILT BEFORE 2000. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHEN YOU SAW 200 ZERO SQUARE FOOT HOMES. YOU KNOW ARRIVE. SO I THINK WE LOOK THIS MAKES SENSE. LIKE WHEN 1100 1200 1300 1400 SQUARE FOOT HOMES NOT SO MUCH. SURE IF LIKE THIS TYPE OF LIVING SPACE WITH A POOL IN THE FRONT YARD MAKES SENSE. AND YOU KNOW, POST 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, RIGHT? AND IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW COURTYARDS, YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO BE TASTEFUL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO A TASTEFUL COURTYARD WITH FOUR FOOT HIGH WALLS. COMMISSIONER MURRAY, HELP ME OUT. YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GOING TO MY KIDS AND DOGS AND ELDERLY PEOPLE. I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO FRONT, YOU KNOW, A DOG IN A FRONT YARD RIGHT THERE SEEING THE PICTURES.
I MEAN, THAT'S A NICE, GORGEOUS. SO OUR CODE LANGUAGE WOULD SAY THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A FOUR, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A FOUR FOOT TALL WALL. THAT'S NOT A SIX FOOT TALL WALL. THAT'S EASY. A SIX FOOT WALL, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FOUR FEET, THREE INCHES. SO. SO THE LANGUAGE FOR THE COURTYARD, IF WE WERE TO ALLOW THIS, WOULD BE THAT THEY ALSO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE FRONT OF THE COURTYARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE JUST LIKE, NOT RIPPING. CAN THEY ENTER INTO A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AS WELL? YOU KNOW, WE COULD, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US. WHAT'S THAT? I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO, LIKE, MONITOR THAT. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING A CITY ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CITY ORDINANCE IS. YEAH.
LIKE WE'RE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, MONITORING TRASH CANS. YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE CITY ORDINANCE TO KEEP YOUR TRASH CANS IN THE BACK YARD NOT VISIBLE TO THE STREET, BUT.
OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IF SOMEONE HAS A COURTYARD, YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THEN. YEAH, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, ISN'T THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? THAT YOUR LANDSCAPE SHOULD BE NICE. LIKE YOUR YOUR FRONT YARD SHOULD BE KEPT. YEAH, I'D SAY THIS IS MY CODE ENFORCEMENT. YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS IS MY THIS IS WHERE LIKE, MAN, I GET LIKE, WE WANT TO ALLOW LIKE OUR RESIDENTS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY NEEDS TO GET SOMETHING BACK IN RETURN AS WELL. RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S PEOPLE DOING YOU KNOW, BEING GOOD STEWARDS, BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. AND UPKEEP IS PART OF THAT. YOU KNOW, BEING A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF YOUR SOCIETY. THAT WOULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? THEY WOULD BE CIRCULATING AROUND. THAT'S WHAT THEY ENFORCE. CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES IS CASES. YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT. SO I THINK I MEAN, IT'S ADDING LIKE A BUT FOR THIS HIGHER LEVEL STANDARD FOR PEOPLE TO DO THIS RIGHT. SORRY. BUT FOR THIS CASE THEY WOULD SUBMIT A PLAN AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT ALSO LIKE HOW THEY PLAN TO ORGANIZE THE LANDSCAPE RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TYPICAL TEMPLATE LANGUAGE FOR MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILL OUT. AND THEY GET GET RECORDED. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT IN PLACE. IF THEY HAVE A COURTYARD. RIGHT. THAT'S PERMITTED. WHAT DO YOU THINK? IF WE WERE TO ALLOW THE COURTYARDS, DO YOU WANT TO SEE US PROVIDE IDENTIFY HOW THE OPTIONS ARE? I THINK SO LIMIT IT TO THOSE OPTIONS. I THINK THE, THE FRONT SIDE AND THE CORNER LIKE HOW WE'RE PRESENTING. YEAH. JUST THE WAY YOU PRESENT IT. I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE THOSE OPTIONS. AND HAS IT GOT TO BE FINISHED. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WELL SMOOTH FINISH STUCCO FINISH. SO THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE IS, IS THAT IT'D BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FINISHED COLOR MATCH AND EVERYTHING. SO IT MATCHES. YEAH. TO THE T WITH COLUMN CAPS TO. WAS THAT TOO MUCH THOUGH. MY ONLY ISSUE. THIS IS UP TO YOU. THE LIKE MY ONLY ISSUE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE HAVE TO SPECIFY LANGUAGE FOR THE DOORS RIGHT FOR THE DOOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ONE THAT HAS TO BE ADA
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COMPLIANT, AND TWO, THAT IT CANNOT BE GO BEYOND A FEW INCHES OF THAT COMPLIANCE. RIGHT. LIKE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS FOR THEM TO FIT A GOLF CART THROUGH THERE. RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. IT'S ALL BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND WHATEVER MAKING IT LOOK PEOPLE LIKE HIM. SO IT'S GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE. NO, THAT'S THE THING. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN PEOPLE CAN BE LIKE, OH, DOUBLE DOOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? PUT A COLUMN ON ON SOMETHING THAT NOT EVEN CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE, WE COULD DO THAT. THE DOOR, THE DOOR WE COULD DO THE LIMITATIONS. I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU CAN FIT A GOLF CART THROUGH A DOUBLE DOOR LIKE A LIKE A TYPICAL DOUBLE DOOR, BUT WE CAN SPECIFY THE SIZE IF THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH. SO THAT'S MY 36 INCH 42 INCH 36 IS 88. YEAH. THERE'S NO WAY A GOLF COURSE CAN FINISH AT 42IN. I THINK 36 IS STANDARD. I WOULD YOU KNOW, YOU GET A LITTLE MORE I AGREE WITH THAT POINT. AND WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SPECIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S WE'VE SEEN WORKAROUNDS. PEOPLE LIKE HIM. RIGHT. RIGHT.HE'S VERY CREATIVE. RIGHT OKAY. THIS IS OUR POINTING FINGERS OKAY. SO THIS IS REALLY THE LAST ITEM I JUST MAYBE I MISINTERPRETED WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID ABOUT POST 2000 VERSUS PRE 2000. HOW WOULD THAT WORK FOR COURTYARDS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING. YEAH. SO I THINK LIKE OBVIOUSLY NEW HOMES SHOULD NOT LIKE IF YOU'RE POST CONSTRUCTION 2000 RIGHT. LIKE THIS IS GOING INTO NEW. SO NOT NOT DO IT BUT THEN APPLY TO THAT 2000. I DON'T AGREE TO THAT. WELL THEN YOU GOT WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR CAR. SAY. ANY OF THE CARS IN THE CITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A YOU WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT DOESN'T PROHIBIT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. I JUST I READ THIS, BUT THE CCAR SPECIFIES HEIGHT OF FRONT YARD RIGHT HEIGHT OF WALL.
RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE IN COACHELLA IS UP TO FOUR FEET, BUT THAT'S A COACHELLA OR AND IT'S NOT THE CCR. WELL IT'S 30 ISN'T 36 CCNR'S I DON'T THINK RESTRICT IT. BUT THE OUR CODE DOES RESTRICT IT TO 36. PULL IT UP. RIGHT. 36IN. YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO WROUGHT IRON IT'S THE OTHER THREE. YEAH. YEAH. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL I'M HEARING THE YOU KNOW I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS IN OLDER COMMUNITIES RIGHT WHERE IT WORKS LIKE IN THE COVE IN MUCH OLDER COMMUNITY. OKAY. YEAH. AND I'M ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE I LIKE TO SEE ALSO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEWER HOMES IF THEY WANT THAT AS AN OPTION TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION. PERSONALLY, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT I'D LIKE TO GIVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS. OKAY, I THINK WE CAN LEAVE IT OPEN. IT'S AN OPTION TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S BASED ON THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO STILL SUBMIT SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PLANS. AND THEN HAVE STAFF LOOK AT IT AND REVIEW IT, AND IT HAS TO MATCH THEIR HOME. EXACTLY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK NICE, EVEN YOUR HOMES. I THINK, WILL LOOK EVEN NICER. YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD. THEN IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE ESTHETIC OF THE NEW HOME. IF WE GO SIX FEET, THAT'S YOUR OPINION? NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT MY OPINION. THAT'S VISUALLY YOU'RE LIKE HOW LOOK LOOK AT HOW HIGH IS YOUR SIDE YARD. THE WALL. THE SIDE WALL IS SIX FEET RIGHT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO PREPARE YOU FOR THE NEIGHBOR. IT'S SIX FOOT HIGH. IT'S UP TO SIX FEET. SO IF THEY HAVE A NEW HOME, THEY CAN DO THREE FEET IF THEY WANT.
IF THEY CAN DO FOUR FEET IF THEY WANT, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING SIX FEET, I THINK, I THINK I IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO GO, THEY'RE GOING TO GO FROM SOMEONE WHO LIKES PRIVACY. I WOULD DO THE SIX FEET. OKAY. IT'S UP TO SIX FEET. AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO INTERPRETATION LIKE FOR THE SUBMISSION. AND WE'LL SEE IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT. WE'LL BRING THIS BACK AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE PRESENT THIS. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THIS OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS YOU KNOW. YEAH. CONSIDERATIONS SOMETHING. YEAH. BECAUSE COUNCIL IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO SAY YES OR NO UP TO SIX FEET FROM WHERE'S THE WHERE'S WHERE'S YOUR WHERE'S YOUR WHERE'S YOUR ZERO ZERO AT THE CROWN OF THE STREET. NO AT GRADE. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SLOPE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN FEET FROM THE STREET.
YEAH. OF COURSE. YEAH. BECAUSE THE STREET'S GOING TO BE A LOT LOWER THAN. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE RIGHT. THE ISSUE IS LIKE YOU HAVE A SEVEN FOOT WALL FROM LIKE VISUALLY THE PICTURES YOU WERE LOOKING AT ARE AT SEVEN FEET. IF YOU WANT TO GO FROM THE CROWN OF THE STREET, THE CENTER OF THE STREET. YEAH. SO IT'S LOWER. IT'S TYPICAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE THERE.
RIGHT. I THINK LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THIS ONE MIGHT BE A FIVE FOOT WALL. BUT BUT THIS ONE'S, YOU KNOW PROBABLY 5 TO 6. SO THAT ONE THERE IS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE A POOL. THEY OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT THEIR PRIVACY HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT OF PUTTING THE POOL FROM 45 TO $85,000. YOU KNOW, SO. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO PULL IN THE FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO
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INVITE YOU GUYS OVER. OH NO. NO. ONLY ONE BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT THE WALL. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE BROWN EYES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL BRING THIS BACK. IT LOOKS LIKE THE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR ALLOWING SOME LEVEL OF A COURTYARD. SO. YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION. I THINK SO, OKAY, WELL THAT'S IT. THIS IS FOR YOUR DISCUSSION. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, JUST LET ME KNOW BEFORE WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ITEM. THANK YOU.THANK YOU. THIS IS THIS IS NOT EASY. THERE'S A LOT HERE. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT HERE. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS ITEM. YEAH. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU STAFF. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR. BUT I THINK WE'RE MOVING COACHELLA FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THESE MARKERS AND THESE PARAMETERS AND THESE CRITERIA, LIKE IT'S REALLY CHANGING OUR COMMUNITY. SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR VISION. I MEAN, THE DIE IS JUST THE STAFF IN GENERAL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. IT'S A COURAGEOUS CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. I'M DONE WITH THAT. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO IT CHAIR. WHAT'S NEXT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING OVER NON HEARING ITEMS MR. DIRECTOR. ANYTHING. NO NON HEARING ITEMS TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY PUBLIC SO PUBLIC HEARING CALENDAR QUASI JUDICIAL
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HEARING NONE. AND THEN MOVING OVER TO THE INFORMATIONAL CLOSING COMMENTS MR. DIRECTOR ITEM NUMBER THREE OKAY. JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE IS A CITY NEXT WEEK ON ON WEDNESDAY. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITATION. SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT'D BE GREAT. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE A TABLE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. BUT SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, I THINK FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL INVITATION FOR THAT ON THE 23RD.DID YOU NOT RECEIVE IT? YES, YES, IT'S THE CALENDAR. OKAY. I GOT THE CALENDAR. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WE HAD WAS DOES THE CALENDAR INVITE RELATE TO AN ACTUAL INVITATION OR THE CALENDAR INVITE RELATE TO LETTING US KNOW AND YOU KNOW AND JUST YOUR NAME IS ON THE LIST FOR SURE. YOU'RE INVITED. BUT BUT MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WITH A CALENDAR INVITE, ARE WE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE INVITING OR INVITED? WE'RE ON THE LIST OR.
YEAH, GOOD TO KNOW. YEAH. WE'LL CLARIFY THAT. WE'LL CLEAR THAT, CLARIFY THAT FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE. SO FOR WEDNESDAY WE'RE GOOD. YES THE 23RD OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR TONIGHT OKAY. ARE WE INVITED THEN TO THE TACOS AND TEQUILA. ARE WE DOING THAT. IS THAT ARE WE. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I'LL CHECK IN WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
SORRY, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR OF WHAT'S ON. DID YOU RECEIVE AN INVITE OR DID I JUST LOOKED AT IT RIGHT NOW? I WON'T BE HERE. OKAY, COOL. THOSE ARE ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DIRECTOR. ANY CLOSING COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. FONSEC? NO, SIR. COMMISSIONER MURILLO. NO, SIR. COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ. YEAH. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR.
GONZALEZ. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. GO, DODGERS. OH 4540. THANK YOU
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